Racial viability - Revision history

Shinichizio: Sleklith rampage

2016-01-28T17:27:07Z

Sleklith rampage

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	Skaven: 371 120 491		Skaven: 371 120 491
	Slaan: 351 150 501 -1		Slaan: 351 150 501 -1
-	Sleestak: 375 148 523	+	Sleklith: 375 148 523
	Svirfneblin: 435 112 547		Svirfneblin: 435 112 547
	Thond: 437 122 559 6		Thond: 437 122 559 6
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	[[Quess]]: 458 115 573		[[Quess]]: 458 115 573
	[[Skaven]]: 371 120 491		[[Skaven]]: 371 120 491
-	[[Sleestak]]: 375 148 523	+	[[Sleklith]]: 375 148 523
	[[Svirfneblin]]: 435 112 547		[[Svirfneblin]]: 435 112 547
	[[Yeti]]: 371 110 481		[[Yeti]]: 371 110 481
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	[[Llelimin]]: 400 126 526 6		[[Llelimin]]: 400 126 526 6
	[[Invae]]: 394 131 525 -1		[[Invae]]: 394 131 525 -1
-	[[Sleestak]]: 375 148 523	+	[[Sleklith]]: 375 148 523
	[[Advenus]]: 379 140 519 -4		[[Advenus]]: 379 140 519 -4
	[[Orc]]: 369 150 519		[[Orc]]: 369 150 519

Zaylin: throwing my ugly hat into the ring

2014-11-12T05:46:25Z

throwing my ugly hat into the ring

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	''I pretty much disagree with the entirety of this article, but I suppose its useful for people who feel like they need to have a spreadsheet and a graph for everything. As Marcosy pointed out, there is more to each race, its advantages and disadvantages, than assim and stat points. This extends even beyond racial abilities and nuances and into what equipment is possible to use, affiliation choices, play style, pairing with certain empathic bonds, and so on! -- Nilten/Puff/et al.''		''I pretty much disagree with the entirety of this article, but I suppose its useful for people who feel like they need to have a spreadsheet and a graph for everything. As Marcosy pointed out, there is more to each race, its advantages and disadvantages, than assim and stat points. This extends even beyond racial abilities and nuances and into what equipment is possible to use, affiliation choices, play style, pairing with certain empathic bonds, and so on! -- Nilten/Puff/et al.''
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		+	''I'm also gonna throw my two pesos into here and mention that this is a simulationist environment first, and a game second, and as such mechanical balance only comes into the picture when there's a distinct problem that affects everyone, it's realistic to assume not every being is considered to be on equal footing... especially the kobolds. -- Xaolyn

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Hatred at 21:59, 11 November 2014

2014-11-11T21:59:06Z

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	''Some things to think about: not all stats are created equal (nobody cares about str, everybody wants more int) and races have more than just stats (traits/extra attacks etc). -- Marcosy''		''Some things to think about: not all stats are created equal (nobody cares about str, everybody wants more int) and races have more than just stats (traits/extra attacks etc). -- Marcosy''
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		+	''I pretty much disagree with the entirety of this article, but I suppose its useful for people who feel like they need to have a spreadsheet and a graph for everything. As Marcosy pointed out, there is more to each race, its advantages and disadvantages, than assim and stat points. This extends even beyond racial abilities and nuances and into what equipment is possible to use, affiliation choices, play style, pairing with certain empathic bonds, and so on! -- Nilten/Puff/et al.''

	Alphabetical List		Alphabetical List

Marcosy: some comments

2014-11-07T15:03:54Z

some comments

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	Races in Lost Souls begin the game with a varied amount of attributes. In some cases, their effective attribute totals at level one have a counter-intuitive association with their effective total attributes. Following the chart will be an attempt to determine the value of assimilativity in relation to starting attribute totals, taking into consideration the diminishing returns one experiences with developing their attributes throughout their character's life.		Races in Lost Souls begin the game with a varied amount of attributes. In some cases, their effective attribute totals at level one have a counter-intuitive association with their effective total attributes. Following the chart will be an attempt to determine the value of assimilativity in relation to starting attribute totals, taking into consideration the diminishing returns one experiences with developing their attributes throughout their character's life.

-	Size has been minimized in each circumstance, as the author feels high size in most cases is a burden rather than a benefit. In fact, from a purely functional perspective, the only real benefit size can offer is the wielding of two-handed weapons and tower shields in a single hand, as well as a small size bonus to damage in physical combat (This is false, increased size combined with natural armour produces extremely high damage resistance. -- Marcosy). The loss of ability to dodge attacks beyond the early and mid-game is considered to be highly unrecommended, and is not offset by large hitpoint totals because without methods of healing or regenerating easily, hitpoints become less and less important, and more or less simply a time buffer before you reach the point of fleeing combat. If you are getting noticably hurt, it is likely you can not use your time effectively against that opponent, barring forms of regeneration or healing as mentioned before.	+	Size has been minimized in each circumstance, as the author feels high size in most cases is a burden rather than a benefit. In fact, from a purely functional perspective, the only real benefit size can offer is the wielding of two-handed weapons and tower shields in a single hand, as well as a small size bonus to damage in physical combat (''This is false, increased size combined with natural armour produces extremely high damage resistance. -- Marcosy''). The loss of ability to dodge attacks beyond the early and mid-game is considered to be highly unrecommended, and is not offset by large hitpoint totals because without methods of healing or regenerating easily, hitpoints become less and less important, and more or less simply a time buffer before you reach the point of fleeing combat. If you are getting noticably hurt, it is likely you can not use your time effectively against that opponent, barring forms of regeneration or healing as mentioned before.

	There was a time when attributes were, in a sense "less" meaningful in Lost Souls. Much of the loose association between learning rate - "assimilativity" - and attribute totals were programmed in those days, with only slight variation since. Since the major code upgrade many years ago, which created skill limitations based on attribute totals (specialty access), it has made things very difficult for the player - particularly the new player. Most guilds and associations have very high specialty "ceilings" in only one or two stats, and with the diminished returns that exist, it makes it incredibly difficult to accumulate the kind of power necessary to keep advancing noticeably as one reaches near hero and beyond. Without noticeable advancement, characters have a tendency to stagnate without incredible amounts of time investment, or highly specialized "esoteric" knowledge of the game and world.		There was a time when attributes were, in a sense "less" meaningful in Lost Souls. Much of the loose association between learning rate - "assimilativity" - and attribute totals were programmed in those days, with only slight variation since. Since the major code upgrade many years ago, which created skill limitations based on attribute totals (specialty access), it has made things very difficult for the player - particularly the new player. Most guilds and associations have very high specialty "ceilings" in only one or two stats, and with the diminished returns that exist, it makes it incredibly difficult to accumulate the kind of power necessary to keep advancing noticeably as one reaches near hero and beyond. Without noticeable advancement, characters have a tendency to stagnate without incredible amounts of time investment, or highly specialized "esoteric" knowledge of the game and world.
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	Note: The minimum size value has not been included in the math, as different size values mean differently depending on the race in question.		Note: The minimum size value has not been included in the math, as different size values mean differently depending on the race in question.
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		+	''Some things to think about: not all stats are created equal (nobody cares about str, everybody wants more int) and races have more than just stats (traits/extra attacks etc). -- Marcosy''

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Einskaldjir at 21:08, 6 November 2014

2014-11-06T21:08:36Z

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	I thought it might be nice to provide a visual representation of the original author's ideas. The outlier in the far upper left corner is the kobold race, and amberites are in the far lower right. I know it's difficult to determine which dot represents which race, and it's not any easier after I had to cut off the top and bottom of the list. Those are Chaosborn in orange, Tuatha in pink, and Fomor in green nearest to Amberites in the lower right, and I believe those are Faries (Pixies) in the positive assimilativity but still rather far to the right in the green dot, with Aethoss below them and to the right.		I thought it might be nice to provide a visual representation of the original author's ideas. The outlier in the far upper left corner is the kobold race, and amberites are in the far lower right. I know it's difficult to determine which dot represents which race, and it's not any easier after I had to cut off the top and bottom of the list. Those are Chaosborn in orange, Tuatha in pink, and Fomor in green nearest to Amberites in the lower right, and I believe those are Faries (Pixies) in the positive assimilativity but still rather far to the right in the green dot, with Aethoss below them and to the right.
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	[[Image:LS_Chart.png]]		[[Image:LS_Chart.png]]

Einskaldjir at 21:08, 6 November 2014

2014-11-06T21:08:17Z

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	[[Image:LS_Chart.png]]		[[Image:LS_Chart.png]]
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		+	And here is a list of races sorted by effective total attributes:

	List by Effective Total		List by Effective Total

Einskaldjir at 21:07, 6 November 2014

2014-11-06T21:07:43Z

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-	I thought it might be nice to provide a visual representation of the original author's ideas. The outlier in the far upper left corner is the kobold race, and amberites are in the far lower right. I know it's difficult to determine which dot represents which race, and it's not any easier after I had to cut off the top and bottom of the list. Those are Chaosborn in orange, Tuatha in pink, and Fomor in green nearest to Amberites in the lower left, and I believe those are Faries (Pixies) in the positive assimilativity but still rather far to the right in the green dot, with Aethoss below them and to the right.	+	I thought it might be nice to provide a visual representation of the original author's ideas. The outlier in the far upper left corner is the kobold race, and amberites are in the far lower right. I know it's difficult to determine which dot represents which race, and it's not any easier after I had to cut off the top and bottom of the list. Those are Chaosborn in orange, Tuatha in pink, and Fomor in green nearest to Amberites in the lower right, and I believe those are Faries (Pixies) in the positive assimilativity but still rather far to the right in the green dot, with Aethoss below them and to the right.

	[[Image:LS_Chart.png]]		[[Image:LS_Chart.png]]
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		+	List by Effective Total
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		+	Starting Points Remaining Effective Total Assimilativity
		+	[[Amberite]]: 657 190 847 -20
		+	[[Fomor]]: 532 173 705 -13
		+	[[Tuatha]]: 543 143 686 -13
		+	[[Chaosborn]]: 476 194 670 -15
		+	[[Aethoss]]: 484 162 646 -1
		+	[[Pixie]]: 531 99 630 2
		+	[[Rachnei]]: 442 163 605 -5
		+	[[Dana]]: 506 87 593 -1
		+	[[Minotaur]]: 424 155 579 -3
		+	[[Quess]]: 458 115 573
		+	[[Zuth]]: 413 160 573 -6
		+	[[Phaethon]]: 436 134 570 -1
		+	[[Imp]]: 440 127 567 -5
		+	[[Kedeth]]: 408 158 566 -8
		+	[[Gnome]]: 459 104 563 8
		+	[[Drow]]: 466 96 562 -2
		+	[[Lothar]]: 441 118 559 -3
		+	[[Thond]]: 437 122 559 6
		+	[[Nyloc]]: 418 140 558
		+	[[Kielleth]]: 425 129 554
		+	[[Sekh]]: 412 140 552 -1
		+	[[Troll]]: 410 139 549 -2
		+	[[Duergar]]: 429 119 548 -1
		+	[[Kentaur]]: 413 134 547
		+	[[Svirfneblin]]: 435 112 547
		+	[[Aviar]]: 402 144 546 -1
		+	[[Domandan]]: 381 161 542
		+	[[Garou]]: 411 131 542
		+	[[Urln]]: 394 142 536 2
		+	[[Llelimin]]: 400 126 526 6
		+	[[Invae]]: 394 131 525 -1
		+	[[Sleestak]]: 375 148 523
		+	[[Advenus]]: 379 140 519 -4
		+	[[Orc]]: 369 150 519
		+	[[Dracon]]: 365 145 510 -2
		+	[[Human]]: 354 155 509 10
		+	[[Slaan]]: 351 150 501 -1
		+	[[Goblin]]: 346 150 496 15
		+	[[Skaven]]: 371 120 491
		+	[[Yeti]]: 371 110 481
		+	[[Ogre]]: 358 110 468
		+	[[Kobold]]: 214 100 314 30

	[[User:Einskaldjir\|Einskaldjir]] 15:09, 6 November 2014 (EST)		[[User:Einskaldjir\|Einskaldjir]] 15:09, 6 November 2014 (EST)

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Einskaldjir at 20:35, 6 November 2014

2014-11-06T20:35:26Z

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	I thought it might be nice to provide a visual representation of the original author's ideas. The outlier in the far upper left corner is the kobold race, and amberites are in the far lower right. I know it's difficult to determine which dot represents which race, and it's not any easier after I had to cut off the top and bottom of the list. Those are Chaosborn in orange, Tuatha in pink, and Fomor in green nearest to Amberites in the lower left, and I believe those are Faries (Pixies) in the positive assimilativity but still rather far to the right in the green dot, with Aethoss below them and to the right.		I thought it might be nice to provide a visual representation of the original author's ideas. The outlier in the far upper left corner is the kobold race, and amberites are in the far lower right. I know it's difficult to determine which dot represents which race, and it's not any easier after I had to cut off the top and bottom of the list. Those are Chaosborn in orange, Tuatha in pink, and Fomor in green nearest to Amberites in the lower left, and I believe those are Faries (Pixies) in the positive assimilativity but still rather far to the right in the green dot, with Aethoss below them and to the right.

Einskaldjir at 20:35, 6 November 2014

2014-11-06T20:35:12Z

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	[[Image:LS_Chart.png]]		[[Image:LS_Chart.png]]
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-	I also want to create another graph, this time removing size from the total stat point calculation. The original author argues that larger size is actually a detriment, which may be debatable, but I do believe it's clear that more is better for all other attributes.

	[[User:Einskaldjir\|Einskaldjir]] 15:09, 6 November 2014 (EST)		[[User:Einskaldjir\|Einskaldjir]] 15:09, 6 November 2014 (EST)

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Einskaldjir at 20:09, 6 November 2014

2014-11-06T20:09:16Z

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	At this point, we must consider - how hard would it be for a level one gnome to level (or for a player to keep interest in the game) if he required nearly a million experience per level?		At this point, we must consider - how hard would it be for a level one gnome to level (or for a player to keep interest in the game) if he required nearly a million experience per level?
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		+	I thought it might be nice to provide a visual representation of the original author's ideas. The outlier in the far upper left corner is the kobold race, and amberites are in the far lower right. I know it's difficult to determine which dot represents which race, and it's not any easier after I had to cut off the top and bottom of the list. Those are Chaosborn in orange, Tuatha in pink, and Fomor in green nearest to Amberites in the lower left, and I believe those are Faries (Pixies) in the positive assimilativity but still rather far to the right in the green dot, with Aethoss below them and to the right.
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		+	[[Image:LS_Chart.png]]
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		+	I also want to create another graph, this time removing size from the total stat point calculation. The original author argues that larger size is actually a detriment, which may be debatable, but I do believe it's clear that more is better for all other attributes.
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		+	[[User:Einskaldjir\|Einskaldjir]] 15:09, 6 November 2014 (EST)

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