The Disconcerted Crooks Quest - Revision history

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	*The key room is noteleport.		*The key room is noteleport.
	*Kachan doesn't let you leave until you try a key.		*Kachan doesn't let you leave until you try a key.
-	*If you fail, you can immediately request another password from the Grey Mouser and try again.	+	*If you fail, you can immediately request another password from the Grey Mouser and try again. Perhaps reincarnate before doing this, and don't forget to restore your lost hand.
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	*The key room is noteleport.		*The key room is noteleport.
	*Kachan doesn't let you leave until you try a key.		*Kachan doesn't let you leave until you try a key.
		+	*If you fail, you can immediately request another password from the Grey Mouser and try again.
	{{endspoilers}}		{{endspoilers}}

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	Tips:		Tips:
	*My strategy was to put half in one pan then half in the other and weigh. I took the lighter half and dropped them. Then I put half of the remaining six on each side and dropped the lighter side. Then I put 1 key on the left and 1 on the right. If the scale was balanced, I had the heavy key in my hand. If it tilted to one side then that was the key. It says the key can also be lighter in which case I would've had to have done the opposite but I don't think there's any way to tell going in so there's still a little luck involved. (Just tested, it isnt always the light blue key)		*My strategy was to put half in one pan then half in the other and weigh. I took the lighter half and dropped them. Then I put half of the remaining six on each side and dropped the lighter side. Then I put 1 key on the left and 1 on the right. If the scale was balanced, I had the heavy key in my hand. If it tilted to one side then that was the key. It says the key can also be lighter in which case I would've had to have done the opposite but I don't think there's any way to tell going in so there's still a little luck involved. (Just tested, it isnt always the light blue key)
-	(method doesn't work anymore, or at least it failed twice in a row, at least as of 2022)	+	(above method doesn't work anymore, or at least it failed twice in a row, at least as of 2022)
	Quebond's Notes: It's more deterministic than that if you use the 3 balances effectively.		Quebond's Notes: It's more deterministic than that if you use the 3 balances effectively.
	The temptation is to do what is said above, and weigh all 12 at once. However, we know we have 3		The temptation is to do what is said above, and weigh all 12 at once. However, we know we have 3

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	If this is confusing, and I'm in game, just ask me and I'll tell you what to do.		If this is confusing, and I'm in game, just ask me and I'll tell you what to do.
	*The key room is noteleport.		*The key room is noteleport.
		+	*Kachan doesn't let you leave until you try a key.
	{{endspoilers}}		{{endspoilers}}

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	Starts at Grey Mouser. "say crooks" then after some dialog "say password." Next go n of where the catelius minor quest is (the dirty alley). Knock on door. Say the password. Then follow their instructions.		Starts at Grey Mouser. "say crooks" then after some dialog "say password." Next go n of where the catelius minor quest is (the dirty alley). Knock on door. Say the password. Then follow their instructions.
-	Kachan says, "The keys are magically enchanted. At any particular time,
-	only one key is the correct key. The problem is that the key that is correct
-	one time may not be correct the next. The correct key will be either slightly
-	lighter or slightly heavier than the others. That's why we stole the
-	balance."

	Kachan says, "We stole this chest only to discover that it was magically		Kachan says, "We stole this chest only to discover that it was magically
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	Tips:		Tips:
	*My strategy was to put half in one pan then half in the other and weigh. I took the lighter half and dropped them. Then I put half of the remaining six on each side and dropped the lighter side. Then I put 1 key on the left and 1 on the right. If the scale was balanced, I had the heavy key in my hand. If it tilted to one side then that was the key. It says the key can also be lighter in which case I would've had to have done the opposite but I don't think there's any way to tell going in so there's still a little luck involved. (Just tested, it isnt always the light blue key)		*My strategy was to put half in one pan then half in the other and weigh. I took the lighter half and dropped them. Then I put half of the remaining six on each side and dropped the lighter side. Then I put 1 key on the left and 1 on the right. If the scale was balanced, I had the heavy key in my hand. If it tilted to one side then that was the key. It says the key can also be lighter in which case I would've had to have done the opposite but I don't think there's any way to tell going in so there's still a little luck involved. (Just tested, it isnt always the light blue key)
		+	(method doesn't work anymore, or at least it failed twice in a row, at least as of 2022)
	Quebond's Notes: It's more deterministic than that if you use the 3 balances effectively.		Quebond's Notes: It's more deterministic than that if you use the 3 balances effectively.
	The temptation is to do what is said above, and weigh all 12 at once. However, we know we have 3		The temptation is to do what is said above, and weigh all 12 at once. However, we know we have 3
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	If this is confusing, and I'm in game, just ask me and I'll tell you what to do.		If this is confusing, and I'm in game, just ask me and I'll tell you what to do.
		+	*The key room is noteleport.
	{{endspoilers}}		{{endspoilers}}

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	*If you're relatively low level and may not want to risk blowing your hand off, kill the thieves one at a time (Kachan, in particular) before the third weighing. That way you can leave without aggroing them all, if your third attempt doesn't turn up the correct key.		*If you're relatively low level and may not want to risk blowing your hand off, kill the thieves one at a time (Kachan, in particular) before the third weighing. That way you can leave without aggroing them all, if your third attempt doesn't turn up the correct key.

-	Solution from Turok:	+	//Follow this// Solution from Turok:

	For simplicity I'm going to call the keys A-L		For simplicity I'm going to call the keys A-L

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	*If you're relatively low level and may not want to risk blowing your hand off, kill the thieves one at a time (Kachan, in particular) before the third weighing. That way you can leave without aggroing them all, if your third attempt doesn't turn up the correct key.		*If you're relatively low level and may not want to risk blowing your hand off, kill the thieves one at a time (Kachan, in particular) before the third weighing. That way you can leave without aggroing them all, if your third attempt doesn't turn up the correct key.
-	{{endspoilers}}

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	If this is confusing, and I'm in game, just ask me and I'll tell you what to do.		If this is confusing, and I'm in game, just ask me and I'll tell you what to do.
		+	{{endspoilers}}

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Haggoroth at 15:45, 22 March 2014

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	Solution from Turok:		Solution from Turok:
		+
	For simplicity I'm going to call the keys A-L		For simplicity I'm going to call the keys A-L
		+
	1) Put ABCD into left and EFGH into the right pan and weigh them		1) Put ABCD into left and EFGH into the right pan and weigh them
		+
	2) If they are equal		2) If they are equal
		+
	A) take EFGH out of the right and D key out of the left.		A) take EFGH out of the right and D key out of the left.
	B) put IJK into the right, do 2nd weighing		B) put IJK into the right, do 2nd weighing
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	2) if they are equal, the key to unlock the chest is I		2) if they are equal, the key to unlock the chest is I
	3) if they are unequal, the key to unlock is the key that is heavier/lighter depending on step D above (J or K)		3) if they are unequal, the key to unlock is the key that is heavier/lighter depending on step D above (J or K)
		+
	3) If they are unequal, make note of which side was heavier or lighter		3) If they are unequal, make note of which side was heavier or lighter
		+
	A) set up the pans so AFGH is in the left and EIJK is in the right, do 2nd weighing		A) set up the pans so AFGH is in the left and EIJK is in the right, do 2nd weighing
	B) If they are equal		B) If they are equal

Haggoroth at 15:34, 22 March 2014

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	*If you're relatively low level and may not want to risk blowing your hand off, kill the thieves one at a time (Kachan, in particular) before the third weighing. That way you can leave without aggroing them all, if your third attempt doesn't turn up the correct key.		*If you're relatively low level and may not want to risk blowing your hand off, kill the thieves one at a time (Kachan, in particular) before the third weighing. That way you can leave without aggroing them all, if your third attempt doesn't turn up the correct key.
	{{endspoilers}}		{{endspoilers}}
		+
		+	Solution from Turok:
		+	For simplicity I'm going to call the keys A-L
		+	1) Put ABCD into left and EFGH into the right pan and weigh them
		+	2) If they are equal
		+	A) take EFGH out of the right and D key out of the left.
		+	B) put IJK into the right, do 2nd weighing
		+	C) If they are equal the key to unlock the chest is L
		+	D) If they were unequal, make note of if the right side was heavier or lighter
		+	1) remove ABC from the left and IJ from the right, put J into the left, 3rd weighing
		+	2) if they are equal, the key to unlock the chest is I
		+	3) if they are unequal, the key to unlock is the key that is heavier/lighter depending on step D above (J or K)
		+	3) If they are unequal, make note of which side was heavier or lighter
		+	A) set up the pans so AFGH is in the left and EIJK is in the right, do 2nd weighing
		+	B) If they are equal
		+	1) Remove all keys from both pans, B into the right pan and C into the left pan, do 3rd weighing
		+	2) If they are equal, D is the key to unlock the chest
		+	3) If they are unequal, the key to unlock is the side that is heavier/lighter based on what you noted in 3 above (B or C)
		+	C) If they are unequal, make note of if it changed which side is heavier or not.
		+	D) If the side that was heavier did not change
		+	1) set up the weighing with AE in the left pan and JK in the right. Do 3rd weighing.
		+	2) if the side that was heavier does not change the key to unlock is A
		+	3) if the side that was heavier changed, the key to unlock is E
		+	E) If the side that was heavier did change
		+	1) set up the weighing with F in the left, G in the right, do 3rd weighing
		+	2) If they are equal, H is the key to unlock
		+	3) If they are unequal
		+	A) if the left pan was heavier in A above, it is the key that is heavier, if the left pan was lighter in A above, it is the
		+	key that is ligher (F or G)
		+
		+	If this is confusing, and I'm in game, just ask me and I'll tell you what to do.

	[[Category:Quests]]		[[Category:Quests]]

Nirnaeth at 01:02, 1 October 2013

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	*My strategy was to put half in one pan then half in the other and weigh. I took the lighter half and dropped them. Then I put half of the remaining six on each side and dropped the lighter side. Then I put 1 key on the left and 1 on the right. If the scale was balanced, I had the heavy key in my hand. If it tilted to one side then that was the key. It says the key can also be lighter in which case I would've had to have done the opposite but I don't think there's any way to tell going in so there's still a little luck involved. (Just tested, it isnt always the light blue key)		*My strategy was to put half in one pan then half in the other and weigh. I took the lighter half and dropped them. Then I put half of the remaining six on each side and dropped the lighter side. Then I put 1 key on the left and 1 on the right. If the scale was balanced, I had the heavy key in my hand. If it tilted to one side then that was the key. It says the key can also be lighter in which case I would've had to have done the opposite but I don't think there's any way to tell going in so there's still a little luck involved. (Just tested, it isnt always the light blue key)
-	Quebond's Notes: It's more deterministic than that if you use the 3 balances effectively. The temptation is to do what is said above, and weigh all 12 at once. However, we know we have 3 opportunities, and if you half 12 3 times, 12 -> 6 -> 3. However, you really have 3 states to use, using them all is the key (pun intended). Split the 12 into 3 groups, not 2 - weigh 4 on one side, 4 on the other, and keep 4 out. If you need more help from there, see: http://www.mathsisfun.com/pool_balls_solution.html	+	Quebond's Notes: It's more deterministic than that if you use the 3 balances effectively.
		+	The temptation is to do what is said above, and weigh all 12 at once. However, we know we have 3
		+	opportunities, and if you half 12 3 times, 12 -> 6 -> 3. However, you really have 3 states to use,
		+	using them all is the key (pun intended). Split the 12 into 3 groups, not 2 - weigh 4 on one side, 4
		+	on the other, and keep 4 out. If you need more help from there, see:
		+	http://www.mathsisfun.com/pool_balls_solution.html

	*If you're relatively low level and may not want to risk blowing your hand off, kill the thieves one at a time (Kachan, in particular) before the third weighing. That way you can leave without aggroing them all, if your third attempt doesn't turn up the correct key.		*If you're relatively low level and may not want to risk blowing your hand off, kill the thieves one at a time (Kachan, in particular) before the third weighing. That way you can leave without aggroing them all, if your third attempt doesn't turn up the correct key.