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Sukie: /* Guilds */ correct DW entry note

2018-06-15T20:49:25Z

Guilds - correct DW entry note

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	*[[Aligned]] provide access to various interesting and powerful spells and self-buffs, including the ability to summon a hellwalker-suitable ono. With the stats of an urga you'll have to be picky about which forms to get good at, and Aligned themselves come with little in the way of martial specialty access.		*[[Aligned]] provide access to various interesting and powerful spells and self-buffs, including the ability to summon a hellwalker-suitable ono. With the stats of an urga you'll have to be picky about which forms to get good at, and Aligned themselves come with little in the way of martial specialty access.
	*[[Brute Squad]] makes an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.		*[[Brute Squad]] makes an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.
-	*[[Deep Whisperers]] is an even stranger take on bonds, if you manage to pop a telepathic talent. Like telesmic skills, psionic skills are excluded from the skill bonuses from bonds, so urgai attributes are a similar problem here as they are with a magick guild.	+	*[[Deep Whisperers]] is an even stranger take on bonds, if you've intro'd telepathy. Like telesmic skills, psionic skills are excluded from the skill bonuses from bonds, so urgai attributes are a similar problem here as they are with a magick guild.
	*[[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster. They also now have a hellwalker-suitable axe construction, but if it's unchanged from the OVG version that it got moved from (aside from swapping out cryomer for pyrax), then it just takes a large telesmic skill investment to summon a low quality greataxe mostly equivalent to Ardlond's. You'll also have to make do with OIA combat spec access (such as no guild specs in axe).		*[[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster. They also now have a hellwalker-suitable axe construction, but if it's unchanged from the OVG version that it got moved from (aside from swapping out cryomer for pyrax), then it just takes a large telesmic skill investment to summon a low quality greataxe mostly equivalent to Ardlond's. You'll also have to make do with OIA combat spec access (such as no guild specs in axe).
	*[[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster.		*[[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster.

Sukie: /* Guilds */ move DW out of untested, relabel ringwielders

2018-06-15T18:52:36Z

Guilds - move DW out of untested, relabel ringwielders

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	*[[Aligned]] provide access to various interesting and powerful spells and self-buffs, including the ability to summon a hellwalker-suitable ono. With the stats of an urga you'll have to be picky about which forms to get good at, and Aligned themselves come with little in the way of martial specialty access.		*[[Aligned]] provide access to various interesting and powerful spells and self-buffs, including the ability to summon a hellwalker-suitable ono. With the stats of an urga you'll have to be picky about which forms to get good at, and Aligned themselves come with little in the way of martial specialty access.
	*[[Brute Squad]] makes an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.		*[[Brute Squad]] makes an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.
-	*[[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster.	+	*[[Deep Whisperers]] is an even stranger take on bonds, if you manage to pop a telepathic talent. Like telesmic skills, psionic skills are excluded from the skill bonuses from bonds, so urgai attributes are a similar problem here as they are with a magick guild.
	*[[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster. They also now have a hellwalker-suitable axe construction, but if it's unchanged from the OVG version that it got moved from (aside from swapping out cryomer for pyrax), then it just takes a large telesmic skill investment to summon a low quality greataxe mostly equivalent to Ardlond's. You'll also have to make do with OIA combat spec access (such as no guild specs in axe).		*[[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster. They also now have a hellwalker-suitable axe construction, but if it's unchanged from the OVG version that it got moved from (aside from swapping out cryomer for pyrax), then it just takes a large telesmic skill investment to summon a low quality greataxe mostly equivalent to Ardlond's. You'll also have to make do with OIA combat spec access (such as no guild specs in axe).
		+	*[[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster.

-	Not tested:	+	Other Other:
-	*[[Deep Whisperers]] is an even stranger take on bonds, if popping the right psi talent conveys eligibility.	+
	*Ringwielders can be joined, but as soon as your immateriality progresses enough to gain anhumouricity, you explode into a mess of acid and not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point. (December 2017)		*Ringwielders can be joined, but as soon as your immateriality progresses enough to gain anhumouricity, you explode into a mess of acid and not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point. (December 2017)

Sukie: move OZM to blocked list

2018-06-11T18:35:28Z

move OZM to blocked list

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	*[[Deep Whisperers]] is an even stranger take on bonds, if popping the right psi talent conveys eligibility.		*[[Deep Whisperers]] is an even stranger take on bonds, if popping the right psi talent conveys eligibility.
-	*Ordo Zephyrius Mutatoris might also be joinable despite expectations, but it appears nobody has gone through all the hoops to test it.
	*Ringwielders can be joined, but as soon as your immateriality progresses enough to gain anhumouricity, you explode into a mess of acid and not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point. (December 2017)		*Ringwielders can be joined, but as soon as your immateriality progresses enough to gain anhumouricity, you explode into a mess of acid and not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point. (December 2017)

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	*Knights of the Round Table (devotional)		*Knights of the Round Table (devotional)
	*Lightbringers (forbid qlippotic affinity)		*Lightbringers (forbid qlippotic affinity)
		+	*Ordo Zephyrius Mutatoris (attuned incompat)
	*the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric (devotional)		*the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric (devotional)
	*Reapers (devotional)		*Reapers (devotional)

Algordan: /* Guilds */

2018-06-11T02:19:00Z

Guilds

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	*[[Brute Squad]] makes an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.		*[[Brute Squad]] makes an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.
	*[[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster.		*[[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster.
		+	*[[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster. They also now have a hellwalker-suitable axe construction, but if it's unchanged from the OVG version that it got moved from (aside from swapping out cryomer for pyrax), then it just takes a large telesmic skill investment to summon a low quality greataxe mostly equivalent to Ardlond's. You'll also have to make do with OIA combat spec access (such as no guild specs in axe).
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	Not tested:		Not tested:
	*[[Deep Whisperers]] is an even stranger take on bonds, if popping the right psi talent conveys eligibility.		*[[Deep Whisperers]] is an even stranger take on bonds, if popping the right psi talent conveys eligibility.
-	*[[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] should allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster. They also now have a hellwalker-suitable axe construction, but if it's unchanged from the OVG version that it got moved from (aside from swapping out cryomer for pyrax), then it just takes a large telesmic skill investment to summon a low quality greataxe mostly equivalent to Ardlond's.
	*Ordo Zephyrius Mutatoris might also be joinable despite expectations, but it appears nobody has gone through all the hoops to test it.		*Ordo Zephyrius Mutatoris might also be joinable despite expectations, but it appears nobody has gone through all the hoops to test it.
	*Ringwielders can be joined, but as soon as your immateriality progresses enough to gain anhumouricity, you explode into a mess of acid and not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point. (December 2017)		*Ringwielders can be joined, but as soon as your immateriality progresses enough to gain anhumouricity, you explode into a mess of acid and not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point. (December 2017)

Sukie: /* Guilds */ tweak OVG/OIA notes

2018-06-05T06:27:56Z

Guilds - tweak OVG/OIA notes

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	*[[Aligned]] provide access to various interesting and powerful spells and self-buffs, including the ability to summon a hellwalker-suitable ono. With the stats of an urga you'll have to be picky about which forms to get good at, and Aligned themselves come with little in the way of martial specialty access.		*[[Aligned]] provide access to various interesting and powerful spells and self-buffs, including the ability to summon a hellwalker-suitable ono. With the stats of an urga you'll have to be picky about which forms to get good at, and Aligned themselves come with little in the way of martial specialty access.
	*[[Brute Squad]] makes an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.		*[[Brute Squad]] makes an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.
		+	*[[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster.
	Not tested:		Not tested:
	*[[Deep Whisperers]] is an even stranger take on bonds, if popping the right psi talent conveys eligibility.		*[[Deep Whisperers]] is an even stranger take on bonds, if popping the right psi talent conveys eligibility.
-	*[[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] might allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster.	+	*[[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] should allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster. They also now have a hellwalker-suitable axe construction, but if it's unchanged from the OVG version that it got moved from (aside from swapping out cryomer for pyrax), then it just takes a large telesmic skill investment to summon a low quality greataxe mostly equivalent to Ardlond's.
-	*[[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] might allow you into their membership, but with an urga's attributes you'll likely have difficulty becoming an effective spellcaster.	+
	*Ordo Zephyrius Mutatoris might also be joinable despite expectations, but it appears nobody has gone through all the hoops to test it.		*Ordo Zephyrius Mutatoris might also be joinable despite expectations, but it appears nobody has gone through all the hoops to test it.
	*Ringwielders can be joined, but as soon as your immateriality progresses enough to gain anhumouricity, you explode into a mess of acid and not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point. (December 2017)		*Ringwielders can be joined, but as soon as your immateriality progresses enough to gain anhumouricity, you explode into a mess of acid and not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point. (December 2017)

Sukie: note staavsgird axe

2018-01-31T11:22:09Z

note staavsgird axe

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	** [[Ancient artifacts#Dyad\|Dyad]] is amazing. It heals onhit when hitting something that has SD or that counts as hellspawn, and does the damage of a greataxe with double the armor pen and half the activity cost. Sadly it's also an extremely rare random load artifact.		** [[Ancient artifacts#Dyad\|Dyad]] is amazing. It heals onhit when hitting something that has SD or that counts as hellspawn, and does the damage of a greataxe with double the armor pen and half the activity cost. Sadly it's also an extremely rare random load artifact.
	** the lzarawn-runed iron greataxe that can load on Ardlond in [[Shadow Tower]] hits hard, but is slow and slightly inaccurate. (And is just cutting damage against things without SD or that you've fully drained)		** the lzarawn-runed iron greataxe that can load on Ardlond in [[Shadow Tower]] hits hard, but is slow and slightly inaccurate. (And is just cutting damage against things without SD or that you've fully drained)
-	***I've been told there's a rare, higher quality equivalent of this but have never seen it myself.	+	*** silvery-runed black steel greataxe that can load on warriors in [[Staavsgird]] is mostly identical
		+	***I've been told there's yet another randload equivalent but have never seen it myself.
	** I've heard that the special ono made by the [[Aligned]] form [[Hell and Heaven (Aligned Form)\|Hell and Heaven]] is really good.		** I've heard that the special ono made by the [[Aligned]] form [[Hell and Heaven (Aligned Form)\|Hell and Heaven]] is really good.
	***I've heard there's a rare equivalent of this as a non-summon item, but again have never seen it myself.		***I've heard there's a rare equivalent of this as a non-summon item, but again have never seen it myself.

Sukie: reformat stuff again, and delete the old arguments for why it's kill log based since they're unnecessary

2018-01-23T12:12:26Z

reformat stuff again, and delete the old arguments for why it's kill log based since they're unnecessary

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Sukie: /* Associations */ note possibly leaving attuned (and it appearing to be pointless)

2018-01-11T13:14:16Z

Associations - note possibly leaving attuned (and it appearing to be pointless)

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	==Associations==		==Associations==
-	As a [[Hellwalker]] you're by necessity a member of [[The Attuned]].	+	As a [[Hellwalker]] you're by necessity a member of [[The Attuned]] to join, and while leaving the Attuned might not expel you from the Hellwalkers, all of the destroyer/fanatic/erisian affils that were blocked by the Attuned would remain blocked due to also being devotional.

	[[The Explorers]] are great, and you should be an Explorer. It costs a Literacy spec, and gives several bonus specialties including an awareness point required for Attuned. You're already a wanderer as part of being a Hellwalker, and I'm not aware of the Writer category actually coming with any restrictions. And you get some quality of life bonus specialties and token access in fieldcrafts and some vit skills. So.. join the explorers! (Or don't. I can't force you.)		[[The Explorers]] are great, and you should be an Explorer. It costs a Literacy spec, and gives several bonus specialties including an awareness point required for Attuned. You're already a wanderer as part of being a Hellwalker, and I'm not aware of the Writer category actually coming with any restrictions. And you get some quality of life bonus specialties and token access in fieldcrafts and some vit skills. So.. join the explorers! (Or don't. I can't force you.)

Sukie: minor cleanup and add guides cat I guess

2018-01-07T10:15:27Z

minor cleanup and add guides cat I guess

Sukie: tweak mentions to ringwielders, brutes, and ozm

2017-12-30T06:35:33Z

tweak mentions to ringwielders, brutes, and ozm

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	[[Aligned]] provide access to various interesting and powerful spells and self-buffs, including the ability to summon a hellwalker-suitable ono. With the stats of an urga you'll have to be picky about which forms to get good at, and Aligned themselves come with little in the way of martial specialty access.		[[Aligned]] provide access to various interesting and powerful spells and self-buffs, including the ability to summon a hellwalker-suitable ono. With the stats of an urga you'll have to be picky about which forms to get good at, and Aligned themselves come with little in the way of martial specialty access.

-	[[Verynvelyrae]] provide bond access with an huge selection of eligible choices. Since bonds provide specialty access and abilities dependent on the familiar, the path you might take here is extremely flexible in potential. Their compatibility with associations is suprisingly poor, but as a Hellwalker it's not like that's a problem you didn't already have. [[Wolf (Empathic Bond)]] is pretty much intended for hellwalkers, and there are plenty of other choices for interesting bonds.	+	[[Verynvelyrae]] provide bond access with an huge selection of eligible choices. Since bonds provide specialty access and abilities dependent on the familiar, the path you might take here is extremely flexible in potential. Their compatibility with associations is suprisingly poor, but as a Hellwalker it's not like that's a problem you didn't already have. [[Wolf (Empathic Bond)]] is pretty much intended for hellwalkers, and there are plenty of other choices for interesting and useful bonds.

	the [[Adventurer's Guild]] IS a choice, and while it doesn't come with anything interesting, it also bears no restrictions and provides a giant spread of useful specialty access.		the [[Adventurer's Guild]] IS a choice, and while it doesn't come with anything interesting, it also bears no restrictions and provides a giant spread of useful specialty access.

-	oh and apparently hellwalkers can be [[Ringwielders]] now, just make sure to get your attunement on track before becoming immaterial.	+	[[Brutes]] should also be possible and would make an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.

-	A few more guilds aren't obviously incompatible, but I'm uncertain of their actual allowance or efficacy. For bonds you have the further choices of [[Zetesai]] for a smaller but quite interesting selection of bonds, and [[Deep Whisperers] as an even stranger version of bond shenanigans if popping a relevant talent conveys eligibility. [[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] and [[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] might allow you into their membership, and both are powerful and versatile sources of magic, but like with Aligned it might be difficult to become an effective spellcaster with an urga's attributes.	+	A few more guilds aren't obviously incompatible, but I'm uncertain of their actual allowance or efficacy. For bonds you have the further choices of [[Zetesai]] for a smaller but quite interesting selection of bonds, and [[Deep Whisperers] as an even stranger version of bond shenanigans if popping a relevant talent conveys eligibility. [[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] and [[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] might allow you into their membership, and both are powerful and versatile sources of magic, but like with Aligned it might be difficult to become an effective spellcaster with an urga's attributes.

-	As an atheist you're barred from Aedarene, Aliavelyrae, Battleragers, Coven, Devonshire Clerics, Equites Serpentina, Erisian Liberation Front, Justicards of Axa, Knights of the Round Table, Nizari, the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric, Reapers, Shapeshifters, Shemsu Sutekh, Travelers, Tzakazhar. As an attuned you can't become a destroyer by joining the Kazarak, or chaotic by joining the Ordo Zephyrius Mutatoris. From your required specialties you're barred from the Brute Squad, and Lightbringers. And finally, as an urga, you can't be a Warbreaker no matter how drunk you get Steve.	+	Oh and technically you can be a Ringwielder, except.. currently as soon as you turn undead you'll explode into a sad pile of not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point.
		+
		+	You might also be able to be Ordo Zephyrius Mutatoris despite expectations, but it appears nobody has gone through all the hoops to test it.
		+
		+	As an atheist you're barred from Aedarene, Aliavelyrae, Battleragers, Coven, Devonshire Clerics, Equites Serpentina, Erisian Liberation Front, Justicards of Axa, Knights of the Round Table, Nizari, the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric, Reapers, Shapeshifters, Shemsu Sutekh, Travelers, Tzakazhar. As an attuned you can't become a destroyer by joining the Kazarak. From your required specialties you're barred from the Brute Squad, and Lightbringers. And finally, as an urga, you can't be a Warbreaker no matter how drunk you get Steve.

	==Associations==		==Associations==

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	As a Hellwalker, and thus a wandering athiest outlaw [[urga]] (..and ordered pariah initiate), your options are unusually limited.		As a Hellwalker, and thus a wandering athiest outlaw [[urga]] (..and ordered pariah initiate), your options are unusually limited.

-	The main conflict is Hellwalker atheism, which forebears any devotional connection, which is a vast restriction in a world where gods regularly bestow boons to those who please them. Of the groups that remain uncommitted to a deity, many serve in some capacity as guards, and are thus unaccepting of your wandering nature, much less your position as an outlaw. And some other odd conflicts exists, such as your skill in mathematics as an Attuned conflicting with the simple aims of a Brute, or your antagonistic affinities blocking access to the Lightbringers (who forbid qlippot).	+	The main conflict is Hellwalker atheism, which forebears any devotional connection, which is a vast restriction in a world where gods regularly bestow boons to those who please them. Of the groups that remain uncommitted to a deity, many serve in some capacity as guards, and are thus unaccepting of your position as an outlaw. And some other odd conflicts exists, such as the Lightbringers forbidding any trace of qlippotic affinity.

	==Guilds==		==Guilds==
-	[[Aisenshi]] are an effective choice, with martial devotion in unarmed or axe supporting full use of a Hellwalker's abilities. Aisenshi provide significant access to martial skills, and a respectable set of relevant bonus specialties. Their abilities are straightforward and powerful. With investment in the relevant skills Chi Shield becomes a potent defense against esoteric effects, combat meditation provides a powerful (if conditional) combat mode, and the maneuvers provide versatility as another source of esoteric damage on top of counting as unarmed attacks for hellwalker augmentation. (Spoilers: This is the only one I have actual experience with.)	+	[[Aisenshi]] are an effective choice, with martial devotion in unarmed or axe supporting full use of a Hellwalker's abilities. Aisenshi provide significant access to martial skills, and a respectable set of relevant bonus specialties. Their abilities are straightforward and powerful. With investment in the relevant skills Chi Shield becomes a potent defense against esoteric effects, combat meditation provides a powerful (though highly conditional) combat mode, and the maneuvers provide versatility as another source of esoteric damage on top of counting as unarmed attacks for hellwalker augmentation. (Spoilers: This is the only one I have actual experience with.)

	[[Aligned]] provide access to various interesting and powerful spells and self-buffs, including the ability to summon a hellwalker-suitable ono. With the stats of an urga you'll have to be picky about which forms to get good at, and Aligned themselves come with little in the way of martial specialty access.		[[Aligned]] provide access to various interesting and powerful spells and self-buffs, including the ability to summon a hellwalker-suitable ono. With the stats of an urga you'll have to be picky about which forms to get good at, and Aligned themselves come with little in the way of martial specialty access.

-	[[Verynvelyrae]] provide bond access with an huge selection of eligible choices. Since bonds provide specialty access and abilities dependent on the familiar, the path you might take here is extremely flexible in potential. Their compatibility with associations is suprisingly poor, but as a Hellwalker it's not like that's a problem you didn't already have. [[Wolf (Empathic Bond)]] is pretty much intended for hellwalkers, and there are plenty of other choices for interesting and useful bonds.	+	[[Verynvelyrae]] provide bond access with an huge selection of eligible choices. Since bonds provide specialty access and abilities dependent on the familiar, the path you might take here is extremely flexible in potential. Their compatibility with associations is suprisingly poor, but as a Hellwalker it's not like that's a problem you didn't already have. [[Wolf (Empathic Bond)]] is specifically intended for hellwalkers, and there are plenty of other choices for interesting and useful bonds.

	the [[Adventurer's Guild]] IS a choice, and while it doesn't come with anything interesting, it also bears no restrictions and provides a giant spread of useful specialty access.		the [[Adventurer's Guild]] IS a choice, and while it doesn't come with anything interesting, it also bears no restrictions and provides a giant spread of useful specialty access.

-	[[Brutes]] should also be possible and would make an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.	+	[[Brute Squad]] makes an interesting choice, though you'll have to be careful with some of the requirements getting set up.

-	A few more guilds aren't obviously incompatible, but I'm uncertain of their actual allowance or efficacy. For bonds you have the further choices of [[Zetesai]] for a smaller but quite interesting selection of bonds, and [[Deep Whisperers] as an even stranger version of bond shenanigans if popping a relevant talent conveys eligibility. [[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] and [[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] might allow you into their membership, and both are powerful and versatile sources of magic, but like with Aligned it might be difficult to become an effective spellcaster with an urga's attributes.	+	A few more guilds aren't obviously incompatible, but I'm uncertain of their actual allowance or efficacy. For bonds you have the further choices of [[Zetesai]] for a smaller but quite interesting selection of bonds, and [[Deep Whisperers]] as an even stranger version of bond shenanigans if popping a relevant talent conveys eligibility. [[Ordo Ignis Aeternis]] and [[Ordo Verbus Glacialis]] might allow you into their membership, and both are powerful and versatile sources of magic, but like with Aligned it might be difficult to become an effective spellcaster with an urga's attributes.

-	Oh and technically you can be a Ringwielder, except.. currently as soon as you turn undead you'll explode into a sad pile of not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point.	+	Oh and technically you can be a Ringwielder, except.. currently as soon as you turn undead you'll explode into a sad pile of not-a-hellwalker-anymore, which completely defeats the point. (December 2017)

	You might also be able to be Ordo Zephyrius Mutatoris despite expectations, but it appears nobody has gone through all the hoops to test it.		You might also be able to be Ordo Zephyrius Mutatoris despite expectations, but it appears nobody has gone through all the hoops to test it.

-	As an atheist you're barred from Aedarene, Aliavelyrae, Battleragers, Coven, Devonshire Clerics, Equites Serpentina, Erisian Liberation Front, Justicards of Axa, Knights of the Round Table, Nizari, the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric, Reapers, Shapeshifters, Shemsu Sutekh, Travelers, Tzakazhar. As an attuned you can't become a destroyer by joining the Kazarak. From your required specialties you're barred from the Brute Squad, and Lightbringers. And finally, as an urga, you can't be a Warbreaker no matter how drunk you get Steve.	+	As an atheist you're barred from Aedarene, Aliavelyrae, Battleragers, Coven, Devonshire Clerics, Equites Serpentina, Erisian Liberation Front, Justicards of Axa, Knights of the Round Table, Nizari, the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric, Reapers, Shapeshifters, Shemsu Sutekh, Travelers, Tzakazhar. As an attuned you can't become a destroyer by joining the Kazarak. From your required specialties you're barred from the Lightbringers. And finally, as an urga, you can't be a Warbreaker no matter how drunk you get Steve.

	==Associations==		==Associations==
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	As an atheist you can't join the Agnihotri, Chosen of Vashanka, Cult of Decay, Deep Ones, Followers of Apollo, Gatherers, Ghaunadauri, Haruspices, Gauric Legion (because reasons), Hethar Karad, the Legion of Dynamic Discord, Mhezlekai, Ollin Tonatiuh, Pantarchic Church of Yehovah, Questors of Axa, Shadow Brethren, Sodality of the Nine-Spoked Wheel, Synousia Algesis, and the Ygellethites. In addition to several of the already mentioned devotional associations, being an urga further bars you from the Hawkmen, Fianna, Cuar Faernae, and Storm Walkers. As a wandering outlaw you can't join the Losthaven Guard or the Steel Serpents. As a proponent of order you can't become a Stalker of the Gate. And due to your sephirotic affinity you can't join the Inducted.		As an atheist you can't join the Agnihotri, Chosen of Vashanka, Cult of Decay, Deep Ones, Followers of Apollo, Gatherers, Ghaunadauri, Haruspices, Gauric Legion (because reasons), Hethar Karad, the Legion of Dynamic Discord, Mhezlekai, Ollin Tonatiuh, Pantarchic Church of Yehovah, Questors of Axa, Shadow Brethren, Sodality of the Nine-Spoked Wheel, Synousia Algesis, and the Ygellethites. In addition to several of the already mentioned devotional associations, being an urga further bars you from the Hawkmen, Fianna, Cuar Faernae, and Storm Walkers. As a wandering outlaw you can't join the Losthaven Guard or the Steel Serpents. As a proponent of order you can't become a Stalker of the Gate. And due to your sephirotic affinity you can't join the Inducted.
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