Fey Bonds - Revision history

Iosin: further updates/general cleanup

Iosin — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 20:59:34 GMT

further updates/general cleanup

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	Fey Bonds are a type of limited bond and obtain the following: 10% of a full bond's attributes, 20% of a full bond's charms, skills, traits, and scaling combat ratings, 60% of a full bond's aura, and an as yet unknown percentage of a full bond's anatomy. Skills and bond aura continue increasing past 'complete' bond strength.		Fey Bonds are a type of limited bond and obtain the following: 10% of a full bond's attributes, 20% of a full bond's charms, skills, traits, and scaling combat ratings, 60% of a full bond's aura, and an as yet unknown percentage of a full bond's anatomy. Skills and bond aura continue increasing past 'complete' bond strength.

-	===Player Notes===	+	==Player Notes==
-	I know very little about how to activate this capacity. aside from the fact that it is very rare and difficult.	+	*Using the [[Create Bond (Fey Abilities)\|Create Bond]] ability is central to it. While using this ability is the method by which the bond is unlocked, mastery is not necessary -- a fey bond was successfully popped at competent.
-	*Using the [[Create Bond (Fey Abilities)\|Create Bond]] ability is central to it. Mastering this ability is obviously key, though actual mastery is not necessary -- a fey bond was successfully popped at competent.	+
	*Having beings bonded in this way die negatively impacts your odds of unlocking the [[Empathic Bond\|faculty]].		*Having beings bonded in this way die negatively impacts your odds of unlocking the [[Empathic Bond\|faculty]].
-	*The beings bondable in this way are basically the ones in the [[Verynvelyrae]] bond list, and the activation of this bond (in the few cases available) seems to happen when using Create Bond on a creature from this list.	+	*Any bond included in the [[Verynvelyrae]] bond list can be bonded this way, and the activation of this bond (in the few cases available) seems to happen when using create bond on a creature from this list.
	*It is possible to unlock a feybond despite having had a bond before.		*It is possible to unlock a feybond despite having had a bond before.
	*Modified stats/skills help for unlocking - one that is extremely helpful is [[The Protector of the Three]] office, with the mental boost activated.		*Modified stats/skills help for unlocking - one that is extremely helpful is [[The Protector of the Three]] office, with the mental boost activated.
	*Investing in the skills associated with [[Create Bond (Fey Abilities)\|Create Bond]] is likely important. These are: [[Enchantment]], [[Divination]], [[Awareness]]. Joining a mage guild is helpful in maximizing these skills.		*Investing in the skills associated with [[Create Bond (Fey Abilities)\|Create Bond]] is likely important. These are: [[Enchantment]], [[Divination]], [[Awareness]]. Joining a mage guild is helpful in maximizing these skills.

-	===Fey Bonds (Completed)===	+	==Fey Bonds (Completed)==

	====''[[Felivanus (Empathic Bond)\|Felivanus]]''====		====''[[Felivanus (Empathic Bond)\|Felivanus]]''====

Iosin: /* Use of Fey Abilities */ updates

Iosin — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 20:54:03 GMT

Use of Fey Abilities - updates

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	{{spoilers}}		{{spoilers}}
-	===Use of Fey Abilities===	+	==Use of Fey Abilities==
-	For races that have the [[Fey Abilities]] faculty, there is a chance that the character can develop the capacity for forming a form of empathic bond, one that is more limited than that given to guilds centered around empathic bonds. This appears to be random, similar to how [[Psychic Wild Talents\|wild talents]] can be obtained.	+	For characters that have [[Fey Abilities]] (either naturally or through joining [[Fianna]]), each use of the create bond fey ability has a chance to open an empathic bond via fey bloodbonding. This appears to be random, similar to how [[Psychic Wild Talents\|wild talents]] can be obtained.

	An example of a fey bond popping follows:		An example of a fey bond popping follows:
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	desire and ability to fulfill that need and to complete yourself.		desire and ability to fulfill that need and to complete yourself.

-	Fey Bonds are limited to 20% of the strength of a full bond type. Any boons granted past the 20% strength will be unattainable. Usually this includes limb acquisition and most traits. Change 4842 describes this in detail, as provided below:	+	Fey Bonds are a type of limited bond and obtain the following: 10% of a full bond's attributes, 20% of a full bond's charms, skills, traits, and scaling combat ratings, 60% of a full bond's aura, and an as yet unknown percentage of a full bond's anatomy. Skills and bond aura continue increasing past 'complete' bond strength.
-		+
-	/------------------------------------------- System Change 4842 -------------------------------------------\	+
-	\| Summary empathic bonds charm rating revisions \|	+
-	\| Number 4842 \|	+
-	\| Type content revision \|	+
-	\| By Twilight \|	+
-	\| When Nov 18 2010 10:47 AM \|	+
-	\| Description 1) the effective strength of your bond now matter for your ability to use the charms \|	+
-	\| granted by the bond. the effective strength is the strength multiplied by the charm \|	+
-	\| factor of the bond type (i.e. 1.0 for vv/zet/etc., 0.2 for fey bonds). the effective bond \|	+
-	\| strength puts a drag on the rating, making it harder t(but not impossible) to get high \|	+
-	\| ratings. for example at 20% effective bond strength, a certain amount of your rating \|	+
-	\| w(depending on the minimum rating threshold) will be multiplied by 0.44. 2) the eye glow \|	+
-	\| that happens when you use a charm is now more intense the higher your rating is relative \|	+
-	\| to the max rating, so there is a mechanism that lets you know how good approximately how \|	+
-	\| good you are. \|	+
-	\| Reason necessary for balance, and also makes sense. and also wanted a feedback mechanism for \|	+
-	\| players to see how good they were at charms, given that there are no help files. \|	+
-	\| Result lets me do a number of things, like shift some charms to be earlier for some bonds now \|	+
-	\| that i don't have to worry about fey bonds getting as crazy. also, i expect that a lot of \|	+
-	\| the math in particular charms will ahve to be refigured because of this \|	+
-	\| Projects Empathic Bonds \|	+
-	\| Importance Rated 2.3, closer to limited than moderate, by three raters, spread 2-3 \|	+
-	\| Value Rated 4.3, closer to good than great, by three raters, spread 4-5 \|	+
-	\| Version not updated \|	+
-	\----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------/	+

	===Player Notes===		===Player Notes===

Iosin: /* Use of Fey Abilities */ this is no longer accurate

Iosin — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 20:37:42 GMT

Use of Fey Abilities - this is no longer accurate

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	For races that have the [[Fey Abilities]] faculty, there is a chance that the character can develop the capacity for forming a form of empathic bond, one that is more limited than that given to guilds centered around empathic bonds. This appears to be random, similar to how [[Psychic Wild Talents\|wild talents]] can be obtained.		For races that have the [[Fey Abilities]] faculty, there is a chance that the character can develop the capacity for forming a form of empathic bond, one that is more limited than that given to guilds centered around empathic bonds. This appears to be random, similar to how [[Psychic Wild Talents\|wild talents]] can be obtained.

-	'''Note''': It appears that fey bond chances got a massive nerfing sometime post 2012-2013 time-frame, for all intents and purposes being all but impossible now.
-	Whether the chance was lowered dramatically or there are invisible requirements that no one is aware of is unknown. Sadly this makes change 6150 pretty meaningless.
	An example of a fey bond popping follows:		An example of a fey bond popping follows:

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	===Player Notes===		===Player Notes===

Iosin: fewer Agun complaints/rants on wiki

Iosin — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 20:19:17 GMT

fewer Agun complaints/rants on wiki

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	*Modified stats/skills help for unlocking - one that is extremely helpful is [[The Protector of the Three]] office, with the mental boost activated.		*Modified stats/skills help for unlocking - one that is extremely helpful is [[The Protector of the Three]] office, with the mental boost activated.
	*Investing in the skills associated with [[Create Bond (Fey Abilities)\|Create Bond]] is likely important. These are: [[Enchantment]], [[Divination]], [[Awareness]]. Joining a mage guild is helpful in maximizing these skills.		*Investing in the skills associated with [[Create Bond (Fey Abilities)\|Create Bond]] is likely important. These are: [[Enchantment]], [[Divination]], [[Awareness]]. Joining a mage guild is helpful in maximizing these skills.
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-	===Stuff that Sucks about Fey Bonds===
-	*As noted above you only get 20% of almost everything, Trait, Charm, Maneuver, Special Attack, etc.
-	**10% of Attribute (Bleh)
-	**60% of Aura, this '''''may''''' make a combat focused bond more viable (''thanks Twi'')
-	*Possibly the worst is if you DO pop a Fey and have another Bond, the Fey will progress slower '''AND MORE IMPORTANTLY''' slow down your other (probably Full) bond significantly
-	**Note this REALLY sucks since progressing a Fey above 100% is meaningless, you could have a Fey with 500% over and it'll provide almost no benefit, so you're essentially slowing down your good bond for the crap bond
-	*Fey progression is very font-loaded, i.e. you'll get all the charms you going to get pretty early and then there's minimal gain later in the bond
-	**There's a really really small chance that at complete some of the charms you do get that are based on bond strength will improve, but that chance is extremely small and you can get all the way to Complete and nothing changes
-	*No Fey Bond ever gets [[Conjoin (Empathic Bonds)\|Conjoin]]
-	*Specialty Access from a Fey Bond is EXTREMELY low, expect to never get the 16+ % bonuses that you would from a normal bond. As an example a Rank 16 Skill @ 77% (over complete) gives just 7 Access via a Fey Bond, whereas a Full Bond would be giving about 28 Access and all skill bonuses that go along with it
-	*Most if not all bonds abilities scale with Bond Strength, so never expect to get even close to what a Full Bond will give. i.e. if a Full Bond gives 100 to skills via petting, expect maybe 20 (or lower) from a Fey

	===Fey Bonds (Completed)===		===Fey Bonds (Completed)===

Iosin: /* Player Notes */

Iosin — Tue, 18 Oct 2022 20:16:52 GMT

Player Notes

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	===Player Notes===		===Player Notes===
	I know very little about how to activate this capacity. aside from the fact that it is very rare and difficult.		I know very little about how to activate this capacity. aside from the fact that it is very rare and difficult.
-	*Using the [[Create Bond (Fey Abilities)\|Create Bond]] ability is central to it. Mastering this ability is obviously key, though actual mastery is not necessary -- a fey bond was successfully popped at expert.	+	*Using the [[Create Bond (Fey Abilities)\|Create Bond]] ability is central to it. Mastering this ability is obviously key, though actual mastery is not necessary -- a fey bond was successfully popped at competent.
	*Having beings bonded in this way die negatively impacts your odds of unlocking the [[Empathic Bond\|faculty]].		*Having beings bonded in this way die negatively impacts your odds of unlocking the [[Empathic Bond\|faculty]].
	*The beings bondable in this way are basically the ones in the [[Verynvelyrae]] bond list, and the activation of this bond (in the few cases available) seems to happen when using Create Bond on a creature from this list.		*The beings bondable in this way are basically the ones in the [[Verynvelyrae]] bond list, and the activation of this bond (in the few cases available) seems to happen when using Create Bond on a creature from this list.
-	*something something, get researching?	+	*It is possible to unlock a feybond despite having had a bond before.
-	*If you have had a bond before, it may be impossible (or at least, far less likely) to unlock.	+
	*Modified stats/skills help for unlocking - one that is extremely helpful is [[The Protector of the Three]] office, with the mental boost activated.		*Modified stats/skills help for unlocking - one that is extremely helpful is [[The Protector of the Three]] office, with the mental boost activated.
-		+	*Investing in the skills associated with [[Create Bond (Fey Abilities)\|Create Bond]] is likely important. These are: [[Enchantment]], [[Divination]], [[Awareness]]. Joining a mage guild is helpful in maximizing these skills.

	===Stuff that Sucks about Fey Bonds===		===Stuff that Sucks about Fey Bonds===

Sammage at 23:17, 25 December 2020

Sammage — Fri, 25 Dec 2020 23:17:46 GMT

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	*The beings bondable in this way are basically the ones in the [[Verynvelyrae]] bond list, and the activation of this bond (in the few cases available) seems to happen when using Create Bond on a creature from this list.		*The beings bondable in this way are basically the ones in the [[Verynvelyrae]] bond list, and the activation of this bond (in the few cases available) seems to happen when using Create Bond on a creature from this list.
	*something something, get researching?		*something something, get researching?
		+	*If you have had a bond before, it may be impossible (or at least, far less likely) to unlock.
		+	*Modified stats/skills help for unlocking - one that is extremely helpful is [[The Protector of the Three]] office, with the mental boost activated.

Colorin: /* Stuff that Sucks about Fey Bonds */

Colorin — Tue, 18 Feb 2020 22:25:40 GMT

Stuff that Sucks about Fey Bonds

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	===Stuff that Sucks about Fey Bonds===		===Stuff that Sucks about Fey Bonds===
-	*As noted above you only 20% of almost everything, Trait, Charm, Maneuver, Special Attack, etc.	+	*As noted above you only get 20% of almost everything, Trait, Charm, Maneuver, Special Attack, etc.
	**10% of Attribute (Bleh)		**10% of Attribute (Bleh)
	**60% of Aura, this '''''may''''' make a combat focused bond more viable (''thanks Twi'')		**60% of Aura, this '''''may''''' make a combat focused bond more viable (''thanks Twi'')

Colorin: /* Stuff that Sucks about Fey Bonds */

Colorin — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 19:04:05 GMT

Stuff that Sucks about Fey Bonds

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	*Fey progression is very font-loaded, i.e. you'll get all the charms you going to get pretty early and then there's minimal gain later in the bond		*Fey progression is very font-loaded, i.e. you'll get all the charms you going to get pretty early and then there's minimal gain later in the bond
	**There's a really really small chance that at complete some of the charms you do get that are based on bond strength will improve, but that chance is extremely small and you can get all the way to Complete and nothing changes		**There's a really really small chance that at complete some of the charms you do get that are based on bond strength will improve, but that chance is extremely small and you can get all the way to Complete and nothing changes
-	*No Fey Bond ever gets [[Conjoin (Empathic Bonds)\|Conjoin]].	+	*No Fey Bond ever gets [[Conjoin (Empathic Bonds)\|Conjoin]]
	*Specialty Access from a Fey Bond is EXTREMELY low, expect to never get the 16+ % bonuses that you would from a normal bond. As an example a Rank 16 Skill @ 77% (over complete) gives just 7 Access via a Fey Bond, whereas a Full Bond would be giving about 28 Access and all skill bonuses that go along with it		*Specialty Access from a Fey Bond is EXTREMELY low, expect to never get the 16+ % bonuses that you would from a normal bond. As an example a Rank 16 Skill @ 77% (over complete) gives just 7 Access via a Fey Bond, whereas a Full Bond would be giving about 28 Access and all skill bonuses that go along with it
	*Most if not all bonds abilities scale with Bond Strength, so never expect to get even close to what a Full Bond will give. i.e. if a Full Bond gives 100 to skills via petting, expect maybe 20 (or lower) from a Fey		*Most if not all bonds abilities scale with Bond Strength, so never expect to get even close to what a Full Bond will give. i.e. if a Full Bond gives 100 to skills via petting, expect maybe 20 (or lower) from a Fey
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	===Fey Bonds (Completed)===		===Fey Bonds (Completed)===

Colorin at 17:35, 17 February 2020

Colorin — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 17:35:37 GMT

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	===Player Notes===		===Player Notes===
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	*Fey progression is very font-loaded, i.e. you'll get all the charms you going to get pretty early and then there's minimal gain later in the bond		*Fey progression is very font-loaded, i.e. you'll get all the charms you going to get pretty early and then there's minimal gain later in the bond
	**There's a really really small chance that at complete some of the charms you do get that are based on bond strength will improve, but that chance is extremely small and you can get all the way to Complete and nothing changes		**There's a really really small chance that at complete some of the charms you do get that are based on bond strength will improve, but that chance is extremely small and you can get all the way to Complete and nothing changes
-	*No Fey bond ever gets [[Conjoin (Empathic Bonds)\|Conjoin]].	+	*No Fey Bond ever gets [[Conjoin (Empathic Bonds)\|Conjoin]].
-		+	*Specialty Access from a Fey Bond is EXTREMELY low, expect to never get the 16+ % bonuses that you would from a normal bond. As an example a Rank 16 Skill @ 77% (over complete) gives just 7 Access via a Fey Bond, whereas a Full Bond would be giving about 28 Access and all skill bonuses that go along with it
		+	*Most if not all bonds abilities scale with Bond Strength, so never expect to get even close to what a Full Bond will give. i.e. if a Full Bond gives 100 to skills via petting, expect maybe 20 (or lower) from a Fey

-	== '''Fey Bonds (Completed)''' ==
-	===Spec Access===
-	Specialty Access from a Fey Bond is EXTREMELY low, expect to never get the 16+ % bonuses that you would from a normal bond. As an example a Rank 16 Skill @ 77% (over complete) bond gives just 7 Access (whereas a full bond would be giving about 28 Access). This is important to know going in, so bond something you need some access from, but never expect to get much if any in bonus skill points.
-	===Charm/Bond Ability Buffs===
-	Most if not all bonds abilities scale with Bond Strength, so never expect to get even close to what a Full Bond will give. I.E. if a Full Bond gives 100 to skills via petting, expect maybe 20 (or lower) from a Fey.

		+	===Fey Bonds (Completed)===

-	===''[[Felivanus (Empathic Bond)\|Felivanus]]''===	+	====''[[Felivanus (Empathic Bond)\|Felivanus]]''====
	'''Charms''':		'''Charms''':
	[[Urge (Empathic Bonds)\|Urge]]		[[Urge (Empathic Bonds)\|Urge]]
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	Grow 2 Tentacles - ''Appears to have lost the ability to wield weapons or wear rings, so probably useless now.''		Grow 2 Tentacles - ''Appears to have lost the ability to wield weapons or wear rings, so probably useless now.''

-	===''[[Owl (Empathic Bond)\|Owl]]''===	+	====''[[Owl (Empathic Bond)\|Owl]]''====
	'''Charms''':		'''Charms''':
	[[Urge (Empathic Bonds)\|Urge]]		[[Urge (Empathic Bonds)\|Urge]]

Colorin at 17:20, 17 February 2020

Colorin — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 17:20:47 GMT

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	*Fey progression is very font-loaded, i.e. you'll get all the charms you going to get pretty early and then there's minimal gain later in the bond		*Fey progression is very font-loaded, i.e. you'll get all the charms you going to get pretty early and then there's minimal gain later in the bond
	**There's a really really small chance that at complete some of the charms you do get that are based on bond strength will improve, but that chance is extremely small and you can get all the way to Complete and nothing changes		**There's a really really small chance that at complete some of the charms you do get that are based on bond strength will improve, but that chance is extremely small and you can get all the way to Complete and nothing changes
		+	*No Fey bond ever gets [[Conjoin (Empathic Bonds)\|Conjoin]].


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	Most if not all bonds abilities scale with Bond Strength, so never expect to get even close to what a Full Bond will give. I.E. if a Full Bond gives 100 to skills via petting, expect maybe 20 (or lower) from a Fey.		Most if not all bonds abilities scale with Bond Strength, so never expect to get even close to what a Full Bond will give. I.E. if a Full Bond gives 100 to skills via petting, expect maybe 20 (or lower) from a Fey.

-	Fey bonds do not get [[Conjoin (Empathic Bonds)\|Conjoin]].	+
	===''[[Felivanus (Empathic Bond)\|Felivanus]]''===		===''[[Felivanus (Empathic Bond)\|Felivanus]]''===
	'''Charms''':		'''Charms''':

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-	===Use of Fey Abilities===	+	==Use of Fey Abilities==
-	For races that have the [[Fey Abilities]] faculty, there is a chance that the character can develop the capacity for forming a form of empathic bond, one that is more limited than that given to guilds centered around empathic bonds. This appears to be random, similar to how [[Psychic Wild Talents\|wild talents]] can be obtained.	+	For characters that have [[Fey Abilities]] (either naturally or through joining [[Fianna]]), each use of the create bond fey ability has a chance to open an empathic bond via fey bloodbonding. This appears to be random, similar to how [[Psychic Wild Talents\|wild talents]] can be obtained.

	An example of a fey bond popping follows:		An example of a fey bond popping follows:
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	desire and ability to fulfill that need and to complete yourself.		desire and ability to fulfill that need and to complete yourself.

-	Fey Bonds are limited to 20% of the strength of a full bond type. Any boons granted past the 20% strength will be unattainable. Usually this includes limb acquisition and most traits. Change 4842 describes this in detail, as provided below:	+	Fey Bonds are a type of limited bond and obtain the following: 10% of a full bond's attributes, 20% of a full bond's charms, skills, traits, and scaling combat ratings, 60% of a full bond's aura, and an as yet unknown percentage of a full bond's anatomy. Skills and bond aura continue increasing past 'complete' bond strength.
-		+
-	/------------------------------------------- System Change 4842 -------------------------------------------\	+
-	\| Summary empathic bonds charm rating revisions \|	+
-	\| Number 4842 \|	+
-	\| Type content revision \|	+
-	\| By Twilight \|	+
-	\| When Nov 18 2010 10:47 AM \|	+
-	\| Description 1) the effective strength of your bond now matter for your ability to use the charms \|	+
-	\| granted by the bond. the effective strength is the strength multiplied by the charm \|	+
-	\| factor of the bond type (i.e. 1.0 for vv/zet/etc., 0.2 for fey bonds). the effective bond \|	+
-	\| strength puts a drag on the rating, making it harder t(but not impossible) to get high \|	+
-	\| ratings. for example at 20% effective bond strength, a certain amount of your rating \|	+
-	\| w(depending on the minimum rating threshold) will be multiplied by 0.44. 2) the eye glow \|	+
-	\| that happens when you use a charm is now more intense the higher your rating is relative \|	+
-	\| to the max rating, so there is a mechanism that lets you know how good approximately how \|	+
-	\| good you are. \|	+
-	\| Reason necessary for balance, and also makes sense. and also wanted a feedback mechanism for \|	+
-	\| players to see how good they were at charms, given that there are no help files. \|	+
-	\| Result lets me do a number of things, like shift some charms to be earlier for some bonds now \|	+
-	\| that i don't have to worry about fey bonds getting as crazy. also, i expect that a lot of \|	+
-	\| the math in particular charms will ahve to be refigured because of this \|	+
-	\| Projects Empathic Bonds \|	+
-	\| Importance Rated 2.3, closer to limited than moderate, by three raters, spread 2-3 \|	+
-	\| Value Rated 4.3, closer to good than great, by three raters, spread 4-5 \|	+
-	\| Version not updated \|	+
-	\----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------/	+

	===Player Notes===		===Player Notes===