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1 Problems with empathic bonds, the Zetesai, and the Verynvelyrae

Problems with empathic bonds, the Zetesai, and the Verynvelyrae

Please report them here. Thanks. Msb 16:46, 27 January 2010 (EST)

Looks like the syntax for this collides with stormlord call lightning.
concentrate on calling my familiar vs. concentrate on calling lighnting down upon <target>

can you describe in more detail what happens? Msb 21:13, 8 February 2010 (EST)

It executes both abilities when you try to call lightning.

command: concentrate on calling lightning down upon foo

What foo? You have no familiar identified by 'lightning down upon foo' that you can call in this manner. Gargoyle 06:36, 9 February 2010 (EST)

okay after looking into it, believe it or not, this is a quasi-deliberate feature of thought process keys. it's supposed to be a fully general mechanism. so if you have two things keyed to "visualize a square", then they will both happen. but in this particular case it's kind of weird that they should both be keyed, since there is some semantic ambiguity... i'll look into changing the syntax for one of them (probably stormlord to "bring" the lightning or something). Msb 09:01, 9 February 2010 (EST)

There was a similar interaction between the Send charm and the Fetch wild talent. "Concentrate on sending my familiar to safety" would send the familiar to safety and also give a message like "You do not have a my familiar to safety." I don't have that character anymore though. I didn't use the Fetch sending much so I don't remember if that popped a message about not having a familiar identified by 'whatever'. --Fruri 10:57, 9 February 2010 (EST)

 Please report them here. Thanks. [[User:Msb|Msb]] 16:46, 27 January 2010 (EST)
-===Verynvelyrae===
-====Charms====
-=====Call Familiar=====
 Looks like the syntax for this collides with stormlord call lightning.<br>
 concentrate on calling my familiar vs. concentrate on calling lighnting down upon <target>
-can you describe in more detail what happens? [[User:Msb|Msb]] 21:13, 8 February 2010 (EST)
+:can you describe in more detail what happens? [[User:Msb|Msb]] 21:13, 8 February 2010 (EST)
-It executes both abilities when you try to call lightning.<br>
-command: concentrate on calling lightning down upon foo<br>
-What foo?  You have no familiar identified by 'lightning down upon foo' that you can call in this manner. [[User:Gargoyle|Gargoyle]] 06:36, 9 February 2010 (EST)
-okay after looking into it, believe it or not, this is a quasi-deliberate feature of thought process keys. it's supposed to be a fully general mechanism. so if you have two things keyed to "visualize a square", then they will both happen. but in this particular case it's kind of weird that they should both be keyed, since there is some semantic ambiguity... i'll look into changing the syntax for one of them (probably stormlord to "bring" the lightning or something). [[User:Msb|Msb]] 09:01, 9 February 2010 (EST)
-There was a similar interaction between the Send charm and the Fetch wild talent. "Concentrate on sending my familiar to safety" would send the familiar to safety and also give a message like "You do not have a my familiar to safety." I don't have that character anymore though. I didn't use the Fetch sending much so I don't remember if that popped a message about not having a familiar identified by 'whatever'.  --[[User:Fruri|Fruri]] 10:57, 9 February 2010 (EST)
-=====Fox Intangibility=====
-<strike>typo: Your body unrarifie'''d''' and returns to a normal density.</strike> fixed [[User:Msb|Msb]] 21:13, 8 February 2010 (EST)
-=====Phoenix Renew=====
+:It executes both abilities when you try to call lightning.<br>
-Syntax is a little wonky: "the ability to burn your injuries away with fire.  To do this, concentrate on on
+:command: concentrate on calling lightning down upon foo<br>
-renewing myself."  The syntax actually works this way too, the charm is usable, just requires "on on". --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 11:04, 10 February 2010 (EST)
+:What foo?  You have no familiar identified by 'lightning down upon foo' that you can call in this manner. [[User:Gargoyle|Gargoyle]] 06:36, 9 February 2010 (EST)
-=====Katakaleo Geon=====
+:okay after looking into it, believe it or not, this is a quasi-deliberate feature of thought process keys. it's supposed to be a fully general mechanism. so if you have two things keyed to "visualize a square", then they will both happen. but in this particular case it's kind of weird that they should both be keyed, since there is some semantic ambiguity... i'll look into changing the syntax for one of them (probably stormlord to "bring" the lightning or something). [[User:Msb|Msb]] 09:01, 9 February 2010 (EST)
-<strike>See [[#Katakaleo Hydron]]</strike> [[User:Jensendied|Jensendied]] 03:17, 28 January 2010 (EST)
-=====Katakaleo Hydron=====
+:There was a similar interaction between the Send charm and the Fetch wild talent. "Concentrate on sending my familiar to safety" would send the familiar to safety and also give a message like "You do not have a my familiar to safety." I don't have that character anymore though. I didn't use the Fetch sending much so I don't remember if that popped a message about not having a familiar identified by 'whatever'.  --[[User:Fruri|Fruri]] 10:57, 9 February 2010 (EST)
-<strike>Problems with charms Katakaleo Geon and Katakaleo Hydron result in both of them erroring out when attempting to bring the summon in:
-'          charm' in 'd/Affiliations/Faculties/Empathic_Bonds/dmn/control.c'
+=====Fox and Swarm of Sorcerous Firedarts=====
-('d/Affiliations/Faculties/Empathic_Bonds/dmn/control') line 331
+Typo: You hurl a swarm of sorcerous firedarts into Qith's head, chest, left arm and right leg, catching him in the heart of the swarm with remarkable control and transfi'''xx'''ing them.[[User:Gargoyle|Gargoyle]] 12:34, 7 March 2010 (EST)
-.01.27 21:57:02 Invalid charm specification, type 02010.01.27 21:57:02 program:
-d/Affiliations/Faculties/Empathic_Bonds/dmn/control.c, object: d/Affiliations/Faculties/Empathic_Bonds/dmn/control line 331</strike> [[User:Jensendied|Jensendied]] 03:17, 28 January 2010 (EST)
-====Familiars and Bonding====
+=====Tame=====
-<strike>Kudzu broke a bond with an alligator familiar, and the familiar didn't die --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 22:47, 7 February 2010 (EST)</strike> need more details to reproduce... [[User:Msb|Msb]] 14:26, 8 February 2010 (EST)
+  The female monkey is not a type of creature that a male monkey can assist
+  you in taming.
-<strike>Elicat grants a number of affinities and resists, but they require assigned specialty points to start rather than just granting bonus specs like all the others I've seen.  Is this intended? --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 01:36, 8 February 2010 (EST)</strike> yes, at first [[User:Msb|Msb]] 14:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
+I see something wrong with that. Primates can't seem to tame other primates (both gorillas and monkeys cannot tame their own kind), so I'm guessing it's major bug. --[[User:Ralnos|Ralnos]]
-<strike>Elicat's Extropic resource energy seems like it isn't being calculated correctly - with 28 in Vitamancy, 68 Extropic Affinity, I get 37.5 Extropic energy, while with 30 Albimancy and 68 Holy Purity, I have 133 Holy energy.  From experience with the Carrion Bird ranger's Entropic energy, it doesn't seem like this is scaled right (had hundreds of entropic energy iirc).  Vitamancy DOES affect the max value of Extropic energy, it just seems a bit out of whack compared to Holy.  --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 17:24, 9 February 2010 (EST)  you know what, judging from the attack cost, I guess this is working as you intended --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 17:32, 9 February 2010 (EST) </strike>
+Similar to this, Darkhold giant rats cannot be tamed by giant rodent VV (same message).  I don't know if this is specific to Darkhold, I'll check elsewhere too.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 02:53, 25 February 2010 (EST)
+:yeah this doesn't work on Losthaven sewer giant rats either.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 02:57, 25 February 2010 (EST)
-Addtionally, it seems like Vitamancy specialty access should be given for elicat but isn't, was that an oversight? --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 17:31, 9 February 2010 (EST)
+Rodent doesn't seem to be able to tame rats and whatnot either.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 05:31, 1 March 2010 (EST)
-<strike>Small typo in the Darkhold phoenix's combat chat:
+====Wingless Flight====
-"Tempest brings your wings around, violently buffeting you 2." (fault is in the Darkhold phoenix's code I suppose) --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 00:45, 10 February 2010 (EST)  Another typo:  "Tempest screams hatefully at you 2."  --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 01:00, 10 February 2010 (EST)
+It toggles on and off periodically: <code>You cease to float in the air. You begin to float in the air.</code> This happens quick enough that the only thing effected by it is that you will fall if in the air.  [[User:Jensendied|Jensendied]] 13:44, 21 February 2010 (EST)
-:Fixed for future instances of the Darkhold phoenix.  If existing ones are to be fixed, it will require case-by-case intervention. &mdash;[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 04:33, 10 February 2010 (EST)
-::not an issue for me, I remade that character, and I don't think anybody else got it bonded since you fixed it--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 06:20, 10 February 2010 (EST)</strike>
-<strike>Phoenix's first tier elemental attack does not appear to use ANY skill for its primary attack rating calculation, I don't think this was intended.  It uses fractions of generalist skills and attributes only.  --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 11:18, 10 February 2010 (EST)  Either this is fixed, or it was just that I had 0 skill so it wasn't appearing in the table, works fine --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 12:30, 10 February 2010 (EST) </strike>
+====Cheetah and Convert====
+The name of the resource energy seems to be "electrical", but bond info says it is "electricity".  It would be nice if bond info used the same word that the charm expects (electrical) or vice versa, otherwise it seems to work though.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 07:42, 28 February 2010 (EST)
-Turtles from Castigon swamp have zero Recovery skill (according to Chaos) - this results in really excessive downtime compared to the other familiars, although again I suppose the fault is in the map animal and not so much in the bond code. This is after the turtle's been leveled from 9 to 15, if it's still zero I'm pretty sure something is wrong.  --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 14:48, 11 February 2010 (EST)
+====Tiger's Panoply of Firedarts special====
+<strike>The resource cost for this attack seems excessively high, I think something is wrong with it.  It costs 37 points of fire energy to throw.  I realize it's a powerful attack, but compared to cheetah's lightning attack (costs 1 electrical) the cost seems wrong, it's not 37 times more powerful after all.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 09:59, 28 February 2010 (EST) </strike> NOT A BUG. Seriously, exercise some judgment. [[User:Msb|Msb]] 11:09, 28 February 2010 (EST)
-===Zetesai===
+====Special attack suspend status not retained across incarnations====
+Not a big deal, but when a familiar-granted special is suspended, and the character reincarnates, it is no longer suspended.  Since 'breathe' retains this status across logins, maybe this is fixable?  At any rate it's not a big deal.  Attack priority is retained as you'd expect.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 11:08, 4 March 2010 (EST)
-====Charms====
+====Funny pronoun in Pachyderm bond fail info====
+"You sense a lack of social regard from the female mastodon, as though '''her''' considers you ignorant about what it takes to be a member of a community."--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 18:11, 4 March 2010 (EST)
+:sorry that's bond failure info, not imagine info
-<strike> Inspire wasn't working.</strike> [[User:Jensendied|Jensendied]] 03:17, 28 January 2010 (EST)
-<strike>"Replenish Glands" charm (from Drake) does not seem to work.  Gives "no noticeable effect" message.</strike>
+====Breathe attack granted by Firelizard====
+On a skaven character in LDD, who has chaos affinity, I appear to be breathing pure chaos damage.  When I've had phaethons in LDD, they breathed chaosfire - I think the breath weapon does not have a base damage type of fire, and isn't working the way you intended.  I don't know what would happen if I had no affinity at all, I guess either it would do no damage or untyped damage (if such a thing is possible).  This doesn't really bother me but I doubt it's working how you intended it to.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 01:57, 6 March 2010 (EST)
+:yeah I just compared this to a powrie/pyx zetesai character who also has a breathe attack, and she breathes chaosfire with no other type of affinity skill, so this is not working the same way.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 09:04, 6 March 2010 (EST)
-<strike>Coven "Summon Loamflage" charm gave me a bug (logged)</strike>
+====Heron Bond - Sable Lash====
+Received new manuever for Heron bond and it seems to give the error [heart beat exception: heart beat for object /usr/rylar had error
+Skill 255 not supported as special skill in object def/descriptor/rating_factor program def/descriptor/rating_factor.c line 266]. This occurs in combat, as well as when showing attack and damge ratings for the new maneuver.
-<strike>Conversion rate of the Canalis charm is way out of whack compared to the damage delivered by the various special attacks - 100 to 3.6 at start, 100 to around 7 with 70ish elemental magick skills.  If something costs 100 spellpoints it should be taking out enormous chunks of target health.  --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 00:12, 1 February 2010 (EST)
+Sable Lash now working :).. Apart from a tiny grammatical issue it's a great new manuever:
+You <b>strikes</b> with blinding speed with your lotus-inscribed silvery steel katana at Bloodbane, connect with supreme precision and mutilate Bloodbane's torso.
-Not necessarily. First of all, all your energy pools are in effect giving you bonus spell points (in terms of maximum capacity) to use on this stuff. Second of all, the conversion is only that bad because your skills for using that charm are horrible. Third of all, I tweaked the conversion rate of the charm slightly. Fourth of all, if the energy amounts need adjustment over time, I'll look at it. It's hard to compute a priori, since difference energies have different "potencies" (i.e. 1 point of elemental air is worth 5 points of spirit). [[User:Msb|Msb]] 11:16, 1 February 2010 (EST)
+====Elicat Tetrakolumbos odd succor message====
+The tetrakolumbos the tetrakolumbos flies in front of you to protect you from a
+yellow-skinned male hobgoblin sergeant and a few yellow-skinned male hobgoblin corporals.  (when nicknamed, the same thing happens, name of the creature shows two times)--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 17:10, 8 March 2010 (EST)
-Current conversion rate after the tweak is much more agreeable, it's not like it's free but you don't burn the whole load killing a couple of rats either.  Good change.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 00:47, 2 February 2010 (EST)</strike>
+====Firelizard bond fail message seems to be blank/default====
+ You sense that the orange winged lizard is not willing (or perhaps not able) to bond with
+ you, that you are failing to meet some requirement needed to bond with it.
+Pretty sure you intended these to be a bit more informative, that looks a default to me.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 20:00, 10 March 2010 (EST)
-<strike>The Canalis charm is a bit cryptic - the description in bond info says I can acquire fire, earth, etc types, but when I try to actually do the charm with a lower skilled character I get "You know of no 'fire' energy."  The charm DOES work for my other character with higher mental stats/skills, so it looks like there is a skill check involved, but it's a bit mysterious - fairly sure it isn't the elemental -mancies, since I don't believe they get introduced until AFTER you fire some of the special attacks that Owl grants, but I don't see what other skill might be required (maybe arcane lore)?  This could be more obvious as to why it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 00:46, 2 February 2010 (EST)
+==== Minor typo in Orthros bond fail message ====
+ You sense that the huge black two-headed dog feels as though it could see you coming and
+ outmaneuver you, as though you have an '''unsufficient''' sense of your surroundings.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 20:25, 10 March 2010 (EST)
-would help if I used the correct syntax "elemental fire" etc--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 01:47, 2 February 2010 (EST)</strike>
+<strike>====Bug with Dog attack rating====
+logged ingame--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 21:02, 10 March 2010 (EST)
+:fixed--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 22:21, 10 March 2010 (EST)</strike>
-<strike>The apagion "Channel Magick" attack maneuver does not use the Ergimancy skill, unlike the other attacks of the same type I've seen (Owl's e.g.) - would be nice to have some ability that actually used Ergimancy in the early-mid progression, although it does increase the Magick resource capacity, and would be more consistent with the other attack maneuvers. --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 20:58, 3 February 2010 (EST)</strike> This is deliberate and a little bit annoying to have reported on this problem page. Please keep it to bugs (either actual errors or things apparently not behaving as intended), typos, message discrepancies, and so on... thanks [[User:Msb|Msb]] 22:15, 3 February 2010 (EST)
+====Carrion Bird's Banshee hand damage is extropic====
-genuinely thought that was an oversight, sorry. --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 04:20, 4 February 2010 (EST)
+Pretty certain you intended the hand damage to be entropic.  Also a little thing, her native language is Anglic and she does not speak sperethiel.  Neither of these bother me but I'm sure they're not as you intended.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 14:30, 13 March 2010 (EST)
+:it also seems a bit odd that she can't see in the dark, whether by paravision or plain old night vision, but that doesn't really bother me either (fixable with item)--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 19:19, 13 March 2010 (EST)
+:That the banshee has spec 23 Extropic Affinity was also a bit surprising--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 21:52, 15 March 2010 (EDT)[[Link title]]
-<strike>Micropharmikon:  "A soft white glow forms between} you and Mentos and then drifts towards you." (mismatched brace) --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 07:27, 3 February 2010 (EST)</strike> fixed, thanks [[User:Msb|Msb]] 09:07, 3 February 2010 (EST)
+====Summon limit problem====
+I conjured a banshee, and then disincarnated with the banshee not kept - now the banshee is no longer my follower, but I can't summon another since it thinks I have an active follower.  I can see this has the useful side effect of curbing people abusing powerful followers in swarming areas, but it kinda leaves the character stuck without the follower until next reboot.  I think this will apply to other types of summon/conjure besides banshee.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 21:24, 13 March 2010 (EST)
+:killing the free banshee with another character did not clear the limit, fairly sure that's a bug.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 21:29, 13 March 2010 (EST)
-<strike>Starsee: Is the buff supposed to be applied to the familiar as well as the owner? Seems like it should be, like surge is, but it doesn't seem to grant the familiar astral perception - this isn't a feature suggestion, I think this may be an oversight?  --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 19:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)</strike> not an oversight [[User:Msb|Msb]] 21:14, 8 February 2010 (EST)
+This seems to persist even across reboots.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 10:18, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
-====Familiars and Bonding====
+====Panther's Infuse Thrown charm====
+On trying to infuse a twyrali purchased from Shadowmyrk's shop:
+ There are no such projectiles here.  That doesn't make sense.
+I'll try other throwing type items but I can't actually think of any other regular places to get such things, will also try with throwing knives.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 17:03, 15 March 2010 (EDT)
+:tried a variety of things, including throwing knives and Hanoman darts (which I don't think would work anyway since they seem to be order infused) but I get the same message, "no such projectiles".--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 21:11, 15 March 2010 (EDT)
-====Familiars and Dying====
+====Phoenix's Renew charm and experience points====
+It looks like when this charm does damage, the player gets no xp for that damage dealt - and when you kill something 100% with this charm, as can often happen when you have multiple opponents, you frequently get zero xp.  I am pretty sure this is a bug.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 02:06, 21 March 2010 (EDT)
-<strike>Possible bug in regenerating a famliar afte rit had died</strike>   [[User:Megnmax|Nemesys]] 10:33, 28 January 2010 (EST)
+====Apagion's Magickal resource energy====
-(fixed) [[User:Msb|Msb]] 09:08, 29 January 2010 (EST)
+There does not seem to be any magic skill associated with figuring this resource's maximum, only Magick Affinity.  Of all the resources I've seen, this is the only one I'm aware of that doesn't have a -mancy skill tied to it, so I'm pretty sure this is a bug (please don't scream at me if it isn't).--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 20:55, 26 March 2010 (EDT)
+:err, it seems that evocation is the appropriate skill (Lysator gave me bad information it seems).  No access to it though.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 00:08, 27 March 2010 (EDT)
+====Tamed apagiontes kill players!====
+Twice now I've had tamed apagiontes automatically attack other players - I am fairly sure these are 'wild' apagiontes that were tamed from exoma random spawns.  I don't know if this is of concern to you but it's certainly awkward.--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 02:14, 28 March 2010 (EDT)
-===The Coven===
+====Coven Owl Special Attacks  ====
-<strike>Logging out gives "You drop a small aura."  --[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 23:02, 1 February 2010 (EST)
+The special attacks such as
-More than this, the aura is droppable and when dropped it messes up my guild quote style (possibly other things)--[[User:Kaballah|Kaballah]] 01:32, 2 February 2010 (EST)</strike> possibly fixed [[User:Msb|Msb]] 22:22, 2 February 2010 (EST)
+Wisp of Moonfire
+Stream of Elemental Air
+Stream of Elemental Water
+Jet of Stormwater
+Bolt of Elemental Earth
+Gout of Fire
+Blast of Earthfury
-<strike>Using the White Maiden illuminate arrow charm gives the message that I do not have enough entropic energy.  Should be radiant energy, no? --12:28, 6 February 2010 (EST)</strike> fixed this and numerous related bugs [[User:Msb|Msb]] 12:37, 6 February 2010 (EST)
+etc ...
-Info for the Coven guildmaster:   If you desire to join the Coven, say 'I wish to join the Coven'.  To leave the Verynvelyrae, say 'I wish to leave the Coven'. --[[User:Fruri|Fruri]] 16:42, 9 February 2010 (EST)
+only seem to give one instance of any type then are 'unaccessable' unless player relogs.
-===Steel Serpents===
+no error messages or feedback given when attempting to use any of these attacks a second time.
-<strike>On the score page it says "Type 'help Steel Serpents' for information. Returns "No help is available on that topic."
-On "list channels" the serpent channel is listed as "serpents", should just be "serpent"</strike>
+[[User:Megnmax|Nemesys]] 02:57, 19 April 2010 (EDT)

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Problems with empathic bonds, the Zetesai, and the Verynvelyrae

Fox and Swarm of Sorcerous Firedarts

Tame

Wingless Flight

Cheetah and Convert

Tiger's Panoply of Firedarts special

Special attack suspend status not retained across incarnations

Funny pronoun in Pachyderm bond fail info

Breathe attack granted by Firelizard

Heron Bond - Sable Lash

Elicat Tetrakolumbos odd succor message

Firelizard bond fail message seems to be blank/default

Minor typo in Orthros bond fail message

Carrion Bird's Banshee hand damage is extropic

Summon limit problem

Panther's Infuse Thrown charm

Phoenix's Renew charm and experience points

Apagion's Magickal resource energy

Tamed apagiontes kill players!

Coven Owl Special Attacks

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