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I find it eaiser to help someone if I can whois them to see what race/guild/assoc they play to 1. see if I can even help (an amberite justicar follower of apollo I'd be no help with) and 2. see who else they play so I know what we've already talked about. But if you don't want to show your info thats fine with me if you ask for help I'll do my best it may just take a little longer. Zia's player's 2 cents [[User:Foy|Foy]] 20:21, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

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Yeah I'm not disputing the usefulness of it, and honestly I was considering reverting to an open atman until this came up (considering meaning, oh yeah I'll do it next time then forgetting). I just didn't like this conversation one bit '''do this or suffer the consequences'''. --[[User:Aedhan|Aedhan]] 11:10, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

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If by "suffer the consequences" you mean, not receive help from said player, that is understandable, because it is ultimately their decision, weither to help or not. I don't think anyone is challenging your right to keep your atman undisclosed. I also don't by any means think that anyone is required to help anyone, their right to refuse to help you is just as important imho as you choosing to keep your atman undisclosed.--[[User:Eyerish|Eyerish]] 23:11, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

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I agree it's their choice to help someone or not. I just disagree with it being over this particular matter. I don't want to help you because I'm busy, or even I don't want to help you because I think you're an ass, ok. But I don't want to help you because you're hiding your atman /is/ robbing people of a choice (albeit in my opinion a very silly one). It's margenlizing and forcing people to conform to a certain way other people /think/ the way the game should operate. And that I object to. --[[User:Aedhan|Aedhan]] 11:28, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

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Once again, no one is robbing you of a choice... Because, obviously, you are still making the choice to hide your atman(so no choice has been robbed)... If you are refusing to accomadate their request, and you don't get the service from them that you want, oh well, either re-evaluate your stance on keeping the atman visable, or don't recieve help from said player. I personally dont care if somone has an atman hidden or not, if they ask me for help, i'd try to help, just because i had/'''still have''' a really hard time with LS myself.--[[User:Eyerish|Eyerish]] 19:09, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

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The bullying that I saw (and it was bullying) is actually robbing you of choice. You wish to participate in our community, you MUST do A. Now A in this case is a choice about privacy and that bothers me. And no it wasn't a case of 'I need help' I'm part of the Very Old Guard here on Lostsouls and know my way around the basics (new content is fun) and it's generally discussion or the odd question 'hey what do ioun stones do?' about some nifty new stuff the admin have added. Just in this case it doesn't work on me, a) cos I'm stubborn and b) I've been around here on and off since 1994. Btw, if it was one player who said this I'd have had an argument/discussion and that would have been that. But it isn't, there's been more than a few who've said I'm a jackass and at least three during the main discussion. So far NOBODY has really actually sided with me on this. I'm not paranoid, I don't really care much about the info on the atman, I just DO NOT like being forced into an action relating to private information. That sort of 'We have the right to know everything' is a big problem at the heart of our society in general IMHO. ;) Whoah deep for a silly topic about showing your atman info :D --[[User:Aedhan|Aedhan]] 20:52, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

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Im not going to be responding to this post any longer, you've made it quite apparent, there was never an intention for a "discussion" in this post, it is a bitching-post, and I really am not gonna waste my time, telling you the same thing over and over, but just for good measure:

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No one forced you to do anything, you didnt change your atman, they didnt help you, where were you forced in that equation? where were you robbed? where were you raped? where were you molested? You were not, somone wanted you to do something, you didnt. so you didnt get what you want, thats how it works, no one is forcing you to strip you privacy and cast it off, you may "feel" forced, but your atman is still undisclosed, so, really, it's all in your head.--[[User:Eyerish|Eyerish]] 22:10, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

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Yes... I imagined the whole thing... --[[User:Aedhan|Aedhan]] 09:13, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

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-I find it eaiser to help someone if I can whois them to see what race/guild/assoc they play to 1. see if I can even help (an amberite justicar follower of apollo I'd be no help with) and 2. see who else they play so I know what we've already talked about.  But if you don't want to show your info thats fine with me if you ask for help I'll do my best it may just take a little longer. Zia's player's 2 cents [[User:Foy|Foy]] 20:21, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
-Yeah I'm not disputing the usefulness of it, and honestly I was considering reverting to an open atman until this came up (considering meaning, oh yeah I'll do it next time then forgetting).  I just didn't like this conversation one bit '''do this or suffer the consequences'''. --[[User:Aedhan|Aedhan]] 11:10, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
-If by "suffer the consequences" you mean, not receive help from said player, that is understandable, because it is ultimately their decision, weither to help or not. I don't think anyone is challenging your right to keep your atman undisclosed. I also don't by any means think that anyone is required to help anyone, their right to refuse to help you is just as important imho as you choosing to keep your atman undisclosed.--[[User:Eyerish|Eyerish]] 23:11, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
-I agree it's their choice to help someone or not.  I just disagree with it being over this particular matter.  I don't want to help you because I'm busy, or even I don't want to help you because I think you're an ass, ok.  But I don't want to help you because you're hiding your atman /is/ robbing people of a choice (albeit in my opinion a very silly one).  It's margenlizing and forcing people to conform to a certain way other people /think/ the way the game should operate.  And that I object to. --[[User:Aedhan|Aedhan]] 11:28, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
-Once again, no one is robbing you of a choice... Because, obviously, you are still making the choice to hide your atman(so no choice has been robbed)... If you are refusing to accomadate their request, and you don't get the service from them that you want, oh well, either re-evaluate your stance on keeping the atman visable, or don't recieve help from said player. I personally dont care if somone has an atman hidden or not, if they ask me for help, i'd try to help, just because i had/'''still have''' a really hard time with LS myself.--[[User:Eyerish|Eyerish]] 19:09, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
-The bullying that I saw (and it was bullying) is actually robbing you of choice.  You wish to participate in our community, you MUST do A.  Now A in this case is a choice about privacy and that bothers me.  And no it wasn't a case of 'I need help' I'm part of the Very Old Guard here on Lostsouls and know my way around the basics (new content is fun) and it's generally discussion or the odd question 'hey what do ioun stones do?' about some nifty new stuff the admin have added.  Just in this case it doesn't work on me, a) cos I'm stubborn and b) I've been around here on and off since 1994.  Btw, if it was one player who said this I'd have had an argument/discussion and that would have been that.  But it isn't, there's been more than a few who've said I'm a jackass and at least three during the main discussion.  So far NOBODY has really actually sided with me on this.  I'm not paranoid, I don't really care much about the info on the atman, I just DO NOT like being forced into an action relating to private information.  That sort of 'We have the right to know everything' is a big problem at the heart of our society in general IMHO. ;)  Whoah deep for a silly topic about showing your atman info :D --[[User:Aedhan|Aedhan]] 20:52, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
-Im not going to be responding to this post any longer, you've made it quite apparent, there was never an intention for a "discussion" in this post, it is a bitching-post, and I really am not gonna waste my time, telling you the same thing over and over, but just for good measure:
-No one forced you to do anything, you didnt change your atman, they didnt help you, where were you forced in that equation? where were you robbed? where were you raped? where were you molested? You were not, somone wanted you to do something, you didnt. so you didnt get what you want, thats how it works, no one is forcing you to strip you privacy and cast it off, you may "feel" forced, but your atman is still undisclosed, so, really, it's all in your head.--[[User:Eyerish|Eyerish]] 22:10, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
-Yes... I imagined the whole thing... --[[User:Aedhan|Aedhan]] 09:13, 20 May 2008 (EDT)