http://wiki.lostsouls.org/w/index.php?title=Weapon_Geometry&action=history&feed=atomWeapon Geometry - Revision history2024-03-29T06:40:45ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.8.2http://wiki.lostsouls.org/w/index.php?title=Weapon_Geometry&diff=40425&oldid=prevFungor at 12:40, 13 June 20172017-06-13T12:40:40Z<p></p>
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<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">**Axe = stick with a heavy wedge on it</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">**Axe = stick with a heavy wedge on it</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">**Mace = stick with a heavy turd on it</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">**Mace = stick with a heavy turd on it</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">**Hammer = stick with a heavy cylinder on it</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">**Hammer = stick with a heavy cylinder <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">(or spike) </span>on it</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">**I expect a hammer or mace to weigh more than an axe, but not massively so, probably between 1 and 2 times the mass on the striking end, with a comparable haft, the biggest difference being the shape of the striking surface.</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">**I expect a hammer or mace to weigh more than an axe, but not massively so, probably between 1 and 2 times the mass on the striking end, with a comparable haft, the biggest difference being the shape of the striking surface.</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">**A weapon that is weighs vastly more than a sword for example, shouldn't fall into the same "size" category despite being of comparable size. (I can swing a 15 foot pool noodle with more accuracy and speed than I can a 5 foot solid iron bar, this would still be true if I was strong enough to lift said bar)</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">**A weapon that is weighs vastly more than a sword for example, shouldn't fall into the same "size" category despite being of comparable size. (I can swing a 15 foot pool noodle with more accuracy and speed than I can a 5 foot solid iron bar, this would still be true if I was strong enough to lift said bar)</td></tr>
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Fungorhttp://wiki.lostsouls.org/w/index.php?title=Weapon_Geometry&diff=40423&oldid=prevFungor: changes2017-06-12T21:10:09Z<p>changes</p>
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<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">Some </span>data points about <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">weapons weight</span>.</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">Hypothesis (read as: my whiny complaint)</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*Giant Hammers are stupidly heavy and it's dumb and upsets me and I want someone to change it so that I can use them without large encumbrance penalties.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*my reasoning</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">**Axe = stick with a heavy wedge on it</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">**Mace = stick with a heavy turd on it</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">**Hammer = stick with a heavy cylinder on it</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">**I expect a hammer or mace to weigh more than an axe, but not massively so, probably between 1 and 2 times the mass on the striking end, with a comparable haft, the biggest difference being the shape of the striking surface.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">**A weapon that is weighs vastly more than a sword for example, shouldn't fall into the same "size" category despite being of comparable size. (I can swing a 15 foot pool noodle with more accuracy and speed than I can a 5 foot solid iron bar, this would still be true if I was strong enough to lift said bar)</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">**A weapon scaled up for use by a larger/stronger wielder would have a longer haft, comparable sturdiness (technology permitting) and would probably weigh more, but I would still expect axes, maces, and hammers to maintain constant relative weights as they scaled up.</span></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">Process</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*I collected some weapons and looked at them while holding them.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*Here be some </span>data points about <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">weapon weights</span>.</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"></td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">==Tremendous==</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">==Tremendous==</td></tr>
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<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> *Og Stuff</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> *Og Stuff</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Iron Hammer 277.50 1.95 across, 12 long (from the smith)</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Iron Hammer 277.50 1.95 across, 12 long (from the smith)</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Club <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> </span>117.00 2.75 across, 23.5 long</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"> Giant <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">Wooden </span>Club 117.00 2.75 across, 23.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant black oak staff 61.20 1.80 across, 27 long (Bilga, material probably varies)</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant black oak staff 61.20 1.80 across, 27 long (Bilga, material probably varies)</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Obsidian Axe 48.75 0.7 wide, 20 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Obsidian Axe 48.75 0.7 wide, 20 long</td></tr>
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<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> *Storm Rock</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> *Storm Rock</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Great Flail 28.45 0.60 across, 12 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Great Flail 28.45 0.60 across, 12 long</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Greataxe 27.15 0.85 wide, 12.5 long</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Greataxe <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> </span>27.15 0.85 wide, 12.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Greataxe 8.79 0.65 wide, 14 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Greataxe 8.79 0.65 wide, 14 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> *LH Grebor's Smithy</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> *LH Grebor's Smithy</td></tr>
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<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Flail 20.85 0.70 across, 6.40 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Flail 20.85 0.70 across, 6.40 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Flail 15.45 0.70 across, 6.45 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Flail 15.45 0.70 across, 6.45 long</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;"></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;"></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Hypothesis (read as: my whiny complaint)</td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Hammers are stupidly heavy and it's dumb and upsets me and I want someone to change it.</td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Axe = stick with a heavy blade on it</td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Mace = stick with a heavy turd on it</td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Hammer = stick with a heavy cylinder on it</td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*I expect a hammer or mace's weight relative to an axe's to be between 1.0 and 1.5ish?</td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*If I made a "bigger" weapon for a larger/stronger wielder I'd use a longer haft and a heavier blade/turd/cylinder but expect the weight ratios to stay the same. Unless I was in Azeroth.</td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Process</td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*I collected some weapons and looked at them while holding them.</td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"></td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">Conclusions</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">Conclusions</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Material obviously plays a <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">huge </span>role in weight, <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">compare Giant fiery steel mace with Hlerbani for </span>a <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">90kg difference</span>, <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">or </span>adamantite <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">vs</span>. <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">fiery steel weapons</span>.</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">*Material obviously plays a role in <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">determining the </span>weight, <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">the dimensions also vary, which is weird and confusing.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*A lot of weapons don't have distinct haft-materials, this can affect different weapons more or less based on geometry. I <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">have no idea </span>to what degree this matters.</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*Material seems to have </span>a <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">larger effect on lighter weapons than heavier ones: A Giant Fiery Steel Hammer weighs 27% more than the comparable adamantite one</span>, <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">Meanwhile the GFS Sword weighs 59% more than it's </span>adamantite <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">equivalent</span>.</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Weapon size category either has nothing, or very little to do with weight. <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">(this isn't a surprise</span>, <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">but it's dumb is what I'm saying)</span>.</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">**Of course, their dimensions differ. And I have relatively few data points to actually consider which makes this not very conclusive of anything</span>.</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Square Cube rule seems to be affecting certain weapons more than others as their dimensions are scaled up. <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">(</span>(Great Hammer<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">) </span>= 2.45 <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">* (Greatsword). (</span>Giant Hammer<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">) </span>= 12.78 * (<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">Giant Sword) lolwat</span>)</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">*A lot of weapons don't have distinct haft-materials, this can affect different weapons more or less based on geometry. I <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">don't know </span>to what degree this matters<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">, but I imagine the biggest impact would be in swords and pole arms</span>.</td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">*Weapon size category either has nothing, or very little to do with weight. <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">This more or less makes sense</span>, <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">since Travelers, kazarzeth and Lightbringers can have giant weapons that weigh practically nothing</span>.</td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">*Square Cube rule seems to be affecting certain weapons more than others as their dimensions are scaled up. (Great Hammer<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">/Great Sword</span>=2.45<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">, </span>Giant Hammer<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">/Giant Sword</span>=12.78 <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">lolwat)</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">*<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">Weapon design is hugely dependent on history and technology, so it's hard to imagine what a fantasy bludgeon for a significantly-larger than human race </span>(<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">in a magic infused world no less</span>) <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">might actually look like. From a modeling perspective, it could very well make sense that a hammer used by a giant weighs ten times that of a sword used by the same giant. But from a gameplay perspective, Hammers are basically furniture right now unless we spend hours painstakingly infusing them, and that's a bummer.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*Giant hammers/maces/scourges should have their geometry modified until their weight is more comparable to giant axes. So says I.</span></td></tr>
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<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">Not addressed here</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">Not addressed here</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">*There are a lot of materials that are practically weightless, and that's also dumb nonsense.</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">*There are a lot of materials that are practically weightless, and that's also dumb nonsense.</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">*Weapon weight doesn't directly impact ratings while using it (aside from encumbering you), that's also weird. (maybe it does actually, just speculation on my part)</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">*Weapon weight doesn't directly impact ratings while using it (aside from encumbering you), that's also weird. (maybe it does actually, just speculation on my part)</td></tr>
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Fungorhttp://wiki.lostsouls.org/w/index.php?title=Weapon_Geometry&diff=40421&oldid=prevFungor: added a tab2017-06-12T19:00:06Z<p>added a tab</p>
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<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Greataxe 8.79 0.65 wide, 14 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Greataxe 8.79 0.65 wide, 14 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> *LH Grebor's Smithy</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> *LH Grebor's Smithy</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;"> Iron Greatsword 19.85 0.80 wide, 0.20 tall, 17 long</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"> Iron Greatsword <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> </span>19.85 0.80 wide, 0.20 tall, 17 long</td></tr>
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<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Name weight geometry given</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Name weight geometry given</td></tr>
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Fungorhttp://wiki.lostsouls.org/w/index.php?title=Weapon_Geometry&diff=40418&oldid=prevFungor: Weapon Geomotery moved to Weapon Geometry: because words are hard ok2017-06-12T18:44:04Z<p><a href="/Weapon_Geomotery" title="Weapon Geomotery">Weapon Geomotery</a> moved to <a href="/Weapon_Geometry" title="Weapon Geometry">Weapon Geometry</a>: because words are hard ok</p>
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Fungorhttp://wiki.lostsouls.org/w/index.php?title=Weapon_Geometry&diff=40417&oldid=prevFungor at 18:43, 12 June 20172017-06-12T18:43:22Z<p></p>
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<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Some data points about weapons.</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">Some data points about weapons <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">weight</span>.</td></tr>
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<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">==Tremendous==</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">==Tremendous==</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Sinbyen shimmering violet adamantite weapons</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> Name weight geometry given</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>Sinbyen shimmering violet adamantite weapons</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Hammer 172.00 2 across, 12.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Hammer 172.00 2 across, 12.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Scythe 76.80 0.95 across, 26 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Scythe 76.80 0.95 across, 26 long</td></tr>
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<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Spear 23.35 0.45 across, 31.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Spear 23.35 0.45 across, 31.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Sword 13.45 0.8 wide, 0.15 tall, 23.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Sword 13.45 0.8 wide, 0.15 tall, 23.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Og Stuff</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>Og Stuff</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Iron Hammer 277.50 1.95 across, 12 long (from the smith)</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Iron Hammer 277.50 1.95 across, 12 long (from the smith)</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Club 117.00 2.75 across, 23.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Club 117.00 2.75 across, 23.5 long</td></tr>
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<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Obsidian Axe 48.75 0.7 wide, 20 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Obsidian Axe 48.75 0.7 wide, 20 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Iron Sword 37.70 0.95 wide, 0.20 tall, 22 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Iron Sword 37.70 0.95 wide, 0.20 tall, 22 long</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Musspleheim</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>Musspleheim</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Fiery Steel Mace 292.50 2.20 across, 12 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Giant Fiery Steel Mace 292.50 2.20 across, 12 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> ... Hammer 218.50 0.90 across, 12 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> ... Hammer 218.50 0.90 across, 12 long</td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" align="left"><strong>Line 23:</strong></td>
<td colspan="2" align="left"><strong>Line 24:</strong></td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Hlerbani 201.50 2.35 across, 13 long (oak and lodestone mace)</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Hlerbani 201.50 2.35 across, 13 long (oak and lodestone mace)</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Eldrsleggja 68.55 2.15 across, 13 long (fiery granite hammer, 1/3rd the weight of other hammers?)</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Eldrsleggja 68.55 2.15 across, 13 long (fiery granite hammer, 1/3rd the weight of other hammers?)</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Shadow Tower</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>Shadow Tower</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;"> Ektharnor Gadel 189.00 3.35 across, 21 long (Giant Scourge)</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"> Ektharnor Gadel <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> </span>189.00 3.35 across, 21 long (Giant Scourge)</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Kazarithaxai</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>Kazarithaxai</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> I'm too small to test.</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> I'm too small to test.</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">==Great==</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">==Great==</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Sinbyen black adamantite weapons</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> Name weight geometry given</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>Sinbyen black adamantite weapons</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Great Flail 17.85 0.65 across, 12.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Great Flail 17.85 0.65 across, 12.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Great Hammer 17.45 0.7 across, 10.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Great Hammer 17.45 0.7 across, 10.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" align="left"><strong>Line 34:</strong></td>
<td colspan="2" align="left"><strong>Line 36:</strong></td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Greatspear 8.25 0.3 across, 26.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Greatspear 8.25 0.3 across, 26.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Greatsword 7.10 0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Greatsword 7.10 0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Shadow Tower</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>Shadow Tower</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Vorpal Blade 3.68 0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Vorpal Blade 3.68 0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Magma Maul 21.35 0.95 across, 9.90 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Magma Maul 21.35 0.95 across, 9.90 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Singularity Staff 17.40 0.35 across, 21.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Singularity Staff 17.40 0.35 across, 21.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Daemonicus Omega 26.55 0.95 wide, 20.5 long (Reanada Halberd)</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Daemonicus Omega 26.55 0.95 wide, 20.5 long (Reanada Halberd)</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Storm Rock</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>Storm Rock</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Great Flail 28.45 0.60 across, 12 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Great Flail 28.45 0.60 across, 12 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Greataxe 27.15 0.85 wide, 12.5 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Greataxe 27.15 0.85 wide, 12.5 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Greataxe 8.79 0.65 wide, 14 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Greataxe 8.79 0.65 wide, 14 long</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">LH Grebor's Smithy</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>LH Grebor's Smithy</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Iron Greatsword 19.85 0.80 wide, 0.20 tall, 17 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Iron Greatsword 19.85 0.80 wide, 0.20 tall, 17 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">==Medium or whatever==</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">==Medium or whatever==</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Shadow Tower</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> Name weight geometry given</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>Shadow Tower</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Heavensfire 0.23 0.15 wide, 14.5 long (Longsword?)</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Heavensfire 0.23 0.15 wide, 14.5 long (Longsword?)</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Qith's Morning Star 9.95 0.85 across, 5.70 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Qith's Morning Star 9.95 0.85 across, 5.70 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Spear 5.30 0.20 across, 21.5 long (reanada staticload)</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Spear 5.30 0.20 across, 21.5 long (reanada staticload)</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Storm Rock misc</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;"> *</span>Storm Rock misc</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Flail 20.85 0.70 across, 6.40 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Bronze Flail 20.85 0.70 across, 6.40 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Flail 15.45 0.70 across, 6.45 long</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"> Mithril Flail 15.45 0.70 across, 6.45 long</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"></td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"></td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">Hypothesis</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">Hypothesis <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">(read as: my whiny complaint)</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Hammers are stupidly heavy and it's dumb and upsets me <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">so </span>I want someone to change it.</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">*Hammers are stupidly heavy and it's dumb and upsets me <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">and </span>I want someone to change it<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*Axe = stick with a heavy blade on it</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*Mace = stick with a heavy turd on it</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*Hammer = stick with a heavy cylinder on it</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*I expect a hammer or mace's weight relative to an axe's to be between 1.0 and 1.5ish?</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*If I made a "bigger" weapon for a larger/stronger wielder I'd use a longer haft and a heavier blade/turd/cylinder but expect the weight ratios to stay the same. Unless I was in Azeroth.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"> </td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">Process</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*I collected some weapons and looked at them while holding them</span>.</td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"></td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr>
<tr><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">Conclusions</td><td> </td><td style="background: #eee; font-size: smaller;">Conclusions</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Material obviously plays a huge role, compare Giant fiery steel mace with Hlerbani for a 90kg difference, or adamantite vs. fiery steel weapons.</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">*Material obviously plays a huge role <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">in weight</span>, compare Giant fiery steel mace with Hlerbani for a 90kg difference, or adamantite vs. fiery steel weapons.</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*A lot of weapons don't have distinct haft-materials <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">because lazy</span>, this can affect different weapons more or less based on geometry.</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">*A lot of weapons don't have distinct haft-materials, this can affect different weapons more or less based on geometry<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">. I have no idea to what degree this matters</span>.</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Weapon size category either has nothing, or very little to do with <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">mass</span>. (this isn't a surprise, but it's dumb is what I'm saying).</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">*Weapon size category either has nothing, or very little to do with <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">weight</span>. (this isn't a surprise, but it's dumb is what I'm saying).</td></tr>
<tr><td>-</td><td style="background: #ffa; font-size: smaller;">*Square Cube rule seems to be <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">applying to </span>certain weapons as their dimensions are scaled up <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">in </span>a nonsense <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">way</span>.</td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;">*Square Cube rule seems to be <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">affecting </span>certain weapons <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">more than others </span>as their dimensions are scaled up<span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">. ((Great Hammer) = 2.45 * (Greatsword). (Giant Hammer) = 12.78 * (Giant Sword) lolwat)</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"> </td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">Not addressed here</span></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*There are </span>a <span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">lot of materials that are practically weightless, and that's also dumb </span>nonsense.</td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; font-size: smaller;"><span style="color: red; font-weight: bold;">*Weapon weight doesn't directly impact ratings while using it (aside from encumbering you), that's also weird. (maybe it does actually, just speculation on my part)</span></td></tr>
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Fungorhttp://wiki.lostsouls.org/w/index.php?title=Weapon_Geometry&diff=40416&oldid=prevFungor: made a page2017-06-12T18:23:24Z<p>made a page</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>Some data points about weapons.<br />
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==Tremendous==<br />
Sinbyen shimmering violet adamantite weapons<br />
Giant Hammer 172.00 2 across, 12.5 long<br />
Giant Scythe 76.80 0.95 across, 26 long<br />
Giant Axe 57.35 1.35 wide, 22 long<br />
Giant Flail 72.60 1.03 across, 18.5 long<br />
Giant Spear 23.35 0.45 across, 31.5 long<br />
Giant Sword 13.45 0.8 wide, 0.15 tall, 23.5 long<br />
Og Stuff<br />
Giant Iron Hammer 277.50 1.95 across, 12 long (from the smith)<br />
Giant Club 117.00 2.75 across, 23.5 long<br />
Giant black oak staff 61.20 1.80 across, 27 long (Bilga, material probably varies)<br />
Giant Obsidian Axe 48.75 0.7 wide, 20 long<br />
Giant Iron Sword 37.70 0.95 wide, 0.20 tall, 22 long<br />
Musspleheim<br />
Giant Fiery Steel Mace 292.50 2.20 across, 12 long<br />
... Hammer 218.50 0.90 across, 12 long<br />
... Axe 87.85 1.40 wide, 21.5 long<br />
... Sword 21.40 0.85 wide, 0.20 tall, 23 long <br />
Giant Blackwood Staff 24.35 1.75 across, 27 long<br />
Hlerbani 201.50 2.35 across, 13 long (oak and lodestone mace)<br />
Eldrsleggja 68.55 2.15 across, 13 long (fiery granite hammer, 1/3rd the weight of other hammers?)<br />
Shadow Tower<br />
Ektharnor Gadel 189.00 3.35 across, 21 long (Giant Scourge)<br />
Kazarithaxai<br />
I'm too small to test.<br />
==Great==<br />
Sinbyen black adamantite weapons<br />
Great Flail 17.85 0.65 across, 12.5 long<br />
Great Hammer 17.45 0.7 across, 10.5 long<br />
Greataxe 9.04 0.65 wide, 14 long<br />
Greatspear 8.25 0.3 across, 26.5 long<br />
Greatsword 7.10 0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long<br />
Shadow Tower<br />
Vorpal Blade 3.68 0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long<br />
Magma Maul 21.35 0.95 across, 9.90 long<br />
Singularity Staff 17.40 0.35 across, 21.5 long<br />
Daemonicus Omega 26.55 0.95 wide, 20.5 long (Reanada Halberd)<br />
Storm Rock<br />
Bronze Great Flail 28.45 0.60 across, 12 long<br />
Bronze Greataxe 27.15 0.85 wide, 12.5 long<br />
Mithril Greataxe 8.79 0.65 wide, 14 long<br />
LH Grebor's Smithy<br />
Iron Greatsword 19.85 0.80 wide, 0.20 tall, 17 long<br />
==Medium or whatever==<br />
Shadow Tower<br />
Heavensfire 0.23 0.15 wide, 14.5 long (Longsword?)<br />
Qith's Morning Star 9.95 0.85 across, 5.70 long<br />
Mithril Spear 5.30 0.20 across, 21.5 long (reanada staticload)<br />
Storm Rock misc<br />
Bronze Flail 20.85 0.70 across, 6.40 long<br />
Mithril Flail 15.45 0.70 across, 6.45 long<br />
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Hypothesis<br />
*Hammers are stupidly heavy and it's dumb and upsets me so I want someone to change it.<br />
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Conclusions<br />
*Material obviously plays a huge role, compare Giant fiery steel mace with Hlerbani for a 90kg difference, or adamantite vs. fiery steel weapons.<br />
*A lot of weapons don't have distinct haft-materials because lazy, this can affect different weapons more or less based on geometry.<br />
*Weapon size category either has nothing, or very little to do with mass. (this isn't a surprise, but it's dumb is what I'm saying).<br />
*Square Cube rule seems to be applying to certain weapons as their dimensions are scaled up in a nonsense way.</div>Fungor