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-Some data points about weapons.+Some data points about weapons weight.
==Tremendous== ==Tremendous==
-Sinbyen shimmering violet adamantite weapons+ Name weight geometry given
 + *Sinbyen shimmering violet adamantite weapons
Giant Hammer 172.00 2 across, 12.5 long Giant Hammer 172.00 2 across, 12.5 long
Giant Scythe 76.80 0.95 across, 26 long Giant Scythe 76.80 0.95 across, 26 long
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Giant Spear 23.35 0.45 across, 31.5 long Giant Spear 23.35 0.45 across, 31.5 long
Giant Sword 13.45 0.8 wide, 0.15 tall, 23.5 long Giant Sword 13.45 0.8 wide, 0.15 tall, 23.5 long
-Og Stuff+ *Og Stuff
Giant Iron Hammer 277.50 1.95 across, 12 long (from the smith) Giant Iron Hammer 277.50 1.95 across, 12 long (from the smith)
Giant Club 117.00 2.75 across, 23.5 long Giant Club 117.00 2.75 across, 23.5 long
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Giant Obsidian Axe 48.75 0.7 wide, 20 long Giant Obsidian Axe 48.75 0.7 wide, 20 long
Giant Iron Sword 37.70 0.95 wide, 0.20 tall, 22 long Giant Iron Sword 37.70 0.95 wide, 0.20 tall, 22 long
-Musspleheim+ *Musspleheim
Giant Fiery Steel Mace 292.50 2.20 across, 12 long Giant Fiery Steel Mace 292.50 2.20 across, 12 long
... Hammer 218.50 0.90 across, 12 long ... Hammer 218.50 0.90 across, 12 long
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Hlerbani 201.50 2.35 across, 13 long (oak and lodestone mace) Hlerbani 201.50 2.35 across, 13 long (oak and lodestone mace)
Eldrsleggja 68.55 2.15 across, 13 long (fiery granite hammer, 1/3rd the weight of other hammers?) Eldrsleggja 68.55 2.15 across, 13 long (fiery granite hammer, 1/3rd the weight of other hammers?)
-Shadow Tower+ *Shadow Tower
- Ektharnor Gadel 189.00 3.35 across, 21 long (Giant Scourge)+ Ektharnor Gadel 189.00 3.35 across, 21 long (Giant Scourge)
-Kazarithaxai+ *Kazarithaxai
I'm too small to test. I'm too small to test.
==Great== ==Great==
-Sinbyen black adamantite weapons+ Name weight geometry given
 + *Sinbyen black adamantite weapons
Great Flail 17.85 0.65 across, 12.5 long Great Flail 17.85 0.65 across, 12.5 long
Great Hammer 17.45 0.7 across, 10.5 long Great Hammer 17.45 0.7 across, 10.5 long
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Greatspear 8.25 0.3 across, 26.5 long Greatspear 8.25 0.3 across, 26.5 long
Greatsword 7.10 0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long Greatsword 7.10 0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long
-Shadow Tower+ *Shadow Tower
Vorpal Blade 3.68 0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long Vorpal Blade 3.68 0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long
Magma Maul 21.35 0.95 across, 9.90 long Magma Maul 21.35 0.95 across, 9.90 long
Singularity Staff 17.40 0.35 across, 21.5 long Singularity Staff 17.40 0.35 across, 21.5 long
Daemonicus Omega 26.55 0.95 wide, 20.5 long (Reanada Halberd) Daemonicus Omega 26.55 0.95 wide, 20.5 long (Reanada Halberd)
-Storm Rock+ *Storm Rock
Bronze Great Flail 28.45 0.60 across, 12 long Bronze Great Flail 28.45 0.60 across, 12 long
Bronze Greataxe 27.15 0.85 wide, 12.5 long Bronze Greataxe 27.15 0.85 wide, 12.5 long
Mithril Greataxe 8.79 0.65 wide, 14 long Mithril Greataxe 8.79 0.65 wide, 14 long
-LH Grebor's Smithy+ *LH Grebor's Smithy
Iron Greatsword 19.85 0.80 wide, 0.20 tall, 17 long Iron Greatsword 19.85 0.80 wide, 0.20 tall, 17 long
==Medium or whatever== ==Medium or whatever==
-Shadow Tower+ Name weight geometry given
 + *Shadow Tower
Heavensfire 0.23 0.15 wide, 14.5 long (Longsword?) Heavensfire 0.23 0.15 wide, 14.5 long (Longsword?)
Qith's Morning Star 9.95 0.85 across, 5.70 long Qith's Morning Star 9.95 0.85 across, 5.70 long
Mithril Spear 5.30 0.20 across, 21.5 long (reanada staticload) Mithril Spear 5.30 0.20 across, 21.5 long (reanada staticload)
-Storm Rock misc+ *Storm Rock misc
Bronze Flail 20.85 0.70 across, 6.40 long Bronze Flail 20.85 0.70 across, 6.40 long
Mithril Flail 15.45 0.70 across, 6.45 long Mithril Flail 15.45 0.70 across, 6.45 long
-Hypothesis+Hypothesis (read as: my whiny complaint)
-*Hammers are stupidly heavy and it's dumb and upsets me so I want someone to change it.+*Hammers are stupidly heavy and it's dumb and upsets me and I want someone to change it.
 +*Axe = stick with a heavy blade on it
 +*Mace = stick with a heavy turd on it
 +*Hammer = stick with a heavy cylinder on it
 +*I expect a hammer or mace's weight relative to an axe's to be between 1.0 and 1.5ish?
 +*If I made a "bigger" weapon for a larger/stronger wielder I'd use a longer haft and a heavier blade/turd/cylinder but expect the weight ratios to stay the same. Unless I was in Azeroth.
 + 
 +Process
 +*I collected some weapons and looked at them while holding them.
Conclusions Conclusions
-*Material obviously plays a huge role, compare Giant fiery steel mace with Hlerbani for a 90kg difference, or adamantite vs. fiery steel weapons.+*Material obviously plays a huge role in weight, compare Giant fiery steel mace with Hlerbani for a 90kg difference, or adamantite vs. fiery steel weapons.
-*A lot of weapons don't have distinct haft-materials because lazy, this can affect different weapons more or less based on geometry.+*A lot of weapons don't have distinct haft-materials, this can affect different weapons more or less based on geometry. I have no idea to what degree this matters.
-*Weapon size category either has nothing, or very little to do with mass. (this isn't a surprise, but it's dumb is what I'm saying).+*Weapon size category either has nothing, or very little to do with weight. (this isn't a surprise, but it's dumb is what I'm saying).
-*Square Cube rule seems to be applying to certain weapons as their dimensions are scaled up in a nonsense way.+*Square Cube rule seems to be affecting certain weapons more than others as their dimensions are scaled up. ((Great Hammer) = 2.45 * (Greatsword). (Giant Hammer) = 12.78 * (Giant Sword) lolwat)
 + 
 +Not addressed here
 +*There are a lot of materials that are practically weightless, and that's also dumb nonsense.
 +*Weapon weight doesn't directly impact ratings while using it (aside from encumbering you), that's also weird. (maybe it does actually, just speculation on my part)

Revision as of 14:43, 12 June 2017

Some data points about weapons weight.

Tremendous

Name			weight	geometry given
*Sinbyen shimmering violet adamantite weapons
Giant Hammer		172.00	2 across, 12.5 long
Giant Scythe		76.80	0.95 across, 26 long
Giant Axe		57.35	1.35 wide, 22 long
Giant Flail		72.60	1.03 across, 18.5 long
Giant Spear		23.35	0.45 across, 31.5 long
Giant Sword		13.45	0.8 wide, 0.15 tall, 23.5 long
*Og Stuff
Giant Iron Hammer	277.50	1.95 across, 12 long  (from the smith)
Giant Club		117.00	2.75 across, 23.5 long
Giant black oak staff	61.20	1.80 across, 27 long (Bilga, material probably varies)
Giant Obsidian Axe	48.75	0.7 wide, 20 long
Giant Iron Sword	37.70	0.95 wide, 0.20 tall, 22 long
*Musspleheim
Giant Fiery Steel Mace	292.50	2.20 across, 12 long
... Hammer		218.50	0.90 across, 12 long
... Axe			87.85	1.40 wide, 21.5 long
... Sword		21.40	0.85 wide, 0.20 tall, 23 long 
Giant Blackwood Staff	24.35	1.75 across, 27 long
Hlerbani  		201.50	2.35 across, 13 long (oak and lodestone mace)
Eldrsleggja		68.55	2.15 across, 13 long (fiery granite hammer, 1/3rd the weight of other hammers?)
*Shadow Tower
Ektharnor Gadel		189.00	3.35 across, 21 long (Giant Scourge)
*Kazarithaxai
I'm too small to test.

Great

Name			weight	geometry given
*Sinbyen black adamantite weapons
Great Flail		17.85	0.65 across, 12.5 long
Great Hammer		17.45	0.7 across, 10.5 long
Greataxe		9.04	0.65 wide, 14 long
Greatspear		8.25	0.3 across, 26.5 long
Greatsword		7.10	0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long
*Shadow Tower
Vorpal Blade		3.68	0.65 wide, 0.15 tall, 18.5 long
Magma Maul		21.35	0.95 across, 9.90 long
Singularity Staff	17.40	0.35 across, 21.5 long
Daemonicus Omega	26.55	0.95 wide, 20.5 long (Reanada Halberd)
*Storm Rock
Bronze Great Flail 	28.45	0.60 across, 12 long
Bronze Greataxe	27.15	0.85 wide, 12.5 long
Mithril Greataxe 	8.79	0.65 wide, 14 long
*LH Grebor's Smithy
Iron Greatsword	19.85	0.80 wide, 0.20 tall, 17 long

Medium or whatever

Name			weight	geometry given
*Shadow Tower
Heavensfire		0.23	0.15 wide, 14.5 long (Longsword?)
Qith's Morning Star	9.95	0.85 across, 5.70 long
Mithril Spear		5.30	0.20 across, 21.5 long (reanada staticload)
*Storm Rock misc
Bronze Flail		20.85	0.70 across, 6.40 long
Mithril Flail		15.45	0.70 across, 6.45 long


Hypothesis (read as: my whiny complaint)

  • Hammers are stupidly heavy and it's dumb and upsets me and I want someone to change it.
  • Axe = stick with a heavy blade on it
  • Mace = stick with a heavy turd on it
  • Hammer = stick with a heavy cylinder on it
  • I expect a hammer or mace's weight relative to an axe's to be between 1.0 and 1.5ish?
  • If I made a "bigger" weapon for a larger/stronger wielder I'd use a longer haft and a heavier blade/turd/cylinder but expect the weight ratios to stay the same. Unless I was in Azeroth.

Process

  • I collected some weapons and looked at them while holding them.

Conclusions

  • Material obviously plays a huge role in weight, compare Giant fiery steel mace with Hlerbani for a 90kg difference, or adamantite vs. fiery steel weapons.
  • A lot of weapons don't have distinct haft-materials, this can affect different weapons more or less based on geometry. I have no idea to what degree this matters.
  • Weapon size category either has nothing, or very little to do with weight. (this isn't a surprise, but it's dumb is what I'm saying).
  • Square Cube rule seems to be affecting certain weapons more than others as their dimensions are scaled up. ((Great Hammer) = 2.45 * (Greatsword). (Giant Hammer) = 12.78 * (Giant Sword) lolwat)

Not addressed here

  • There are a lot of materials that are practically weightless, and that's also dumb nonsense.
  • Weapon weight doesn't directly impact ratings while using it (aside from encumbering you), that's also weird. (maybe it does actually, just speculation on my part)
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